Shrockworks Front Bumper discussion

[Joel]

Thanks Joel...damn cool. I wish I had photochop.

With my white sliders, this is going to look sweeeeeeeeeeeet :D

We're gonna have to start calling your truck Casper!

http://members.tripod.com/~tiki_21/cartoon1/cas.gif

:rotflmao:

[chiefiji]

i love the fact that the bumper doesnt stick out as far as the arb :oink: . good job!

[chiefiji]

We're gonna have to start calling your truck Casper!

http://members.tripod.com/~tiki_21/cartoon1/cas.gif

:rotflmao:

they don't make white walled mt/r's do they? :rotflmao:

[my034runner]

Mine in BLACK please, that looks KILLER!!!!! Do you have anything to fill up the holes yet? It would be nice to also see what it would look like. Also, no front license plate holes for me either. :D
I like the bars also, it will give me a place to finally put me High Lift, and now get an even bigger shovel and axe!! I should be able to somehow mount those right on there.
:guns: :devil: :bigok:

[my034runner]

Also, do you know what the total weight will be, including hardware and paint? Just curious. :doh: :jester:

[ksneubec]

I love it, it looks great!

[Dealmaker]

Awesome Joel, thanks!

Here's my quick go at it for you guys.. :drink:

[bulldog]

That bumper looks great!!! :rockon: :rockon:

Can't wait to get my hands on one.

[expat]

We're gonna have to start calling your truck Casper!
:rotflmao:

LOL. I had thought of that, and Ghost, and White Boomer (Australian Kangaroo).

they don't make white walled mt/r's do they? :rotflmao:

Wait till ya see the white roof basket and white wheels with polished lips :shocked:

Unfortunately (well maybe not!) the family ordered me personalized plates with......EXPATOZ....8wks till deliver tho :( :D

Man, I just can't wait for this bumper.

[shrockworks]

i love the fact that the bumper doesnt stick out as far as the arb :oink: . good job!

It's very tight. One of the biggest challenges was getting the grill to clear the tube. Thankfully we found a good solution w/o extending the entire bumper out further. I think Nick did a great job on it!

[sibanez]

Have to say that the new bumber looks really tight, should be an improvement for the approach angle.

[Tucson T4R]

Based on the outflowing of responses, you would think we were all little kids on Christmas morning! :jester:

Outstanding job on the bumper! Full tubes for me & a 9000 LB winch & sliders & full skid plates & & & &! Oh, sorry, I got carried away for a second.

Weld 'em up and ship 'em out! :D

[expat]

We need to keep spreading the word and talking the bumper up, on other sites too. We want this to work for Shrockworks who have invested in us.

Lets try keeping the Shrockworks threads on other forums at the top of the page - without being stupid about it.

[expat]

Would be cool to have my truck at this event (http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19001) to promote the Shrockworks bullbar. Pity the show wasn't a month later.

[ToyFamily]

We difinatly have more details to iron out....a nip here,tuck....plate there. we're not out of the woods yet...but glad you guys like what you see...There is definatly alot of head scratching in EVERY little aspect. I was very pleased when I bolted it up and rolled it outside before the tubework.

Makes me want an 05....but I just picked up an 85 for myself, you never know for the fiancee' :rotflmao:

Nick

[bulldog]

Mark sounds like some good ideas. Maybe if Jim or Nick is up for it we should do a article for some of the Toyota Offroad mags about the bumper and Shrockworks start in the Toyota world. It takes quite some time to get it published, so it might work out well for when the bumper is commercially availible.

[expat]

Mark sounds like some good ideas. Maybe if Jim or Nick is up for it we should do a article for some of the Toyota Offroad mags about the bumper and Shrockworks start in the Toyota world. It takes quite some time to get it published, so it might work out well for when the bumper is commercially availible.

Agreed. Once the thing is mounted on a few trucks, a press release followed up by a story would be cool. Would be good to show some different colored trucks to give owners a sense of what it would look like on their trucks. Some offroad shots with the bar in action would be good too. Maybe pointing to the benefits of hi-lift use, tow points, winch and light mount options. I have the whole summer off so would be happy to contribute. Plus my spelling is better than most of you guys :moon: ;) j/k.

[Roams001]

I remember pictures of Lance's DeMello bumper. The washer fluid reservoir (I think) was totally visible. Is it possible to get a passenger side picture? Thanks!

I was showing pictures of the bumper to friends who don't offroad and even they thought it was a work of art (that works)!

Thanks Nick, Jim and all the people at Shrockworks.


Louie (I mean Shrock), I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. :rotflmao:

I know I'm getting ahead of myself here...but...

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/05xrearbumper.jpg
http://www.xterraownersclub.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=60;t=000316

[my034runner]

Hey Andries, now do I get some redemption for finding ShrockWorks, over that other fiasco (the 7" lift people, ha ha ha )?
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Come on now, I do think that this is The best thing I've brought up!!! :iagree

[Joel]

I know I'm getting ahead of myself here...but...

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/05xrearbumper.jpg
http://www.xterraownersclub.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=60;t=000316

The problem we are going to have with the rear bumper is that our stocker rear bumper is also the rear crossmember and it's welded to the frame. No exit angle can be gained without http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/images/smilies/sawzall.gif

[bulldog]

Hey Andries, now do I get some redemption for finding ShrockWorks, over that other fiasco (the 7" lift people, ha ha ha )?
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Come on now, I do think that this is The best thing I've brought up!!! :iagree
:jester: :jester: :jester: Yes you do!! It's all about sharing ideas and then working through them. This bumper has been a real team effort and so far it has been great working with Nick and Jim at SW. They know what they are doing and have been very forthcoming about what it will take and how long to get the ball rolling. Jim said 3-4 month timeframe and to expect delays, and seems like they will deliver ahead of schedule. Better to under promise and over deliver.

[bulldog]

The problem we are going to have with the rear bumper is that our stocker rear bumper is also the rear crossmember and it's welded to the frame. No exit angle can be gained without http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/images/smilies/sawzall.gif
True, but if you remove the spare, hitch and other loose things from the back you do gain quite a bit of departure angle. Also the sides can probably be tucked up a little. And having something that can withstand some abuse on the back definitely helps vs my plastic bumper which looks pretty ragged currently.

To be honest I would rather loose a few inches departure and leave the frame alone currently. My spare seems to be hitting most of the time anyhow so if I can mount it on the back it will help a lot.

Anyhow we probably have to take it one step at a time, but a rear bumper is definitely on my shopping list.

[GregGimbert]

Suggestion -

Is it possible to engineer it such that the stock fog lights & turn signals bolt into the new bumper? That would be a great enhancement. :wavey:

[shrockworks]

We are designing the light openings for these lights. They are available in fog and driving.

http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-images/510.gif

The smaller hole will house some amber LED's for the turn signals.

[Tucson T4R]

Your light choice looks good to me. For those of us that have daylight running lights, will the amber LEDs work on that always on curcuit?

[ssmathis]

I'm very impressed with the workmanship and effort here. I'm still waiting on a purchase since we just relocated to Colorado but having seen this prototype, I have to say I'm more likely to purchase this bumper than an ARB. I like supporting the home team when they come through like this.

Scott

[my034runner]

I'm very impressed with the workmanship and effort here. I'm still waiting on a purchase since we just relocated to Colorado but having seen this prototype, I have to say I'm more likely to purchase this bumper than an ARB. I like supporting the home team when they come through like this.

Scott


Scott, go Here, order thread... (http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332&page=2&pp=20) And get on the order list, and give them a call. We're glad to have one more. The more people who initially get this bumper the better. Then we show it off, then someone else wants one, then another and another and so on.... :jester: :bigok:

[my034runner]

:jester: :jester: :jester: Yes you do!! It's all about sharing ideas and then working through them. This bumper has been a real team effort and so far it has been great working with Nick and Jim at SW. They know what they are doing and have been very forthcoming about what it will take and how long to get the ball rolling. Jim said 3-4 month time frame and to expect delays, and seems like they will deliver ahead of schedule. Better to under promise and over deliver.

Thanks Andries! :bigok: :jester:

[Jared]

It's very tight. One of the biggest challenges was getting the grill to clear the tube. Thankfully we found a good solution w/o extending the entire bumper out further. I think Nick did a great job on it!

After being around for my tube bumper design, I really have appreciation of how difficult it is to make everything fit. You'd think with a tube it would be easy, but unless you are willing to have it stick out REALLY far, you have to try really hard to get a winch in there while still making a tight bumper.

For a winch you will have to relocate your A/C plumb line that runs accross the front of the radiator, but it's not hard, just bend!

Great looking bumper guys!

[Asolo]

Drum roll please................................ :D

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb.jpg

there's my baby!! I sure miss her, but wow...totally worth the wait! Guess a lift comes this summer...

[bulldog]

there's my baby!! I sure miss her, but wow...totally worth the wait! Guess a lift comes this summer...
Yep it sure looks good and you helped to make it possible. I would defintely get withdrawl if I was without mine for a long time.

[ToyFamily]

I just got the PIAA lights in hand and these things are very sweet. Still plugging away on adjustments and details.


Nick

[my034runner]

Lets see now, Mark is going to get his white, then he'll be white on white on white, except for maybe his wheels.
Now I'll get black, on black, on black, then get black wheels also... Sweet!!! My034runner will better color coordinated than me! :rotflmao: :jester:

[crhannig]

Sweet!!! My034runner will better color coordinated than me! :rotflmao: :jester:

That might be true... :wavey:

[my034runner]

That might be true... :wavey:


You know it Carl. I've never been much into fashion, but my034runner is shaping up nicely. After I get my Black ShrockWorks bumper, black wheel.... Nice! :D

[crhannig]

You know it Carl. I've never been much into fashion, but my034runner is shaping up nicely. After I get my Black ShrockWorks bumper, black wheel.... Nice! :D

After watching the Tie-Rod video, I really like how your 4Runner looks and preforms. It Looks very sweet. I think the Shockworks bumper will be a nice touch. And as for black wheels, I love mine. :wavey:

[my034runner]

After watching the Tie-Rod video, I really like how your 4Runner looks and preforms. It Looks very sweet. I think the Shockworks bumper will be a nice touch. And as for black wheels, I love mine. :wavey:

Thanks Carl, I like it also. Got my tire problem (blown sidewall) taken care of. I'll post that up in the tire thread. :bigok:

[ssmathis]

I added my name to the list even though it may be a month or so. I definitely like the bumper and so far would order one before ARB.

Scott



Scott, go Here, order thread... (http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332&page=2&pp=20) And get on the order list, and give them a call. We're glad to have one more. The more people who initially get this bumper the better. Then we show it off, then someone else wants one, then another and another and so on.... :jester: :bigok:

[PanteraLKN]

so what is the latest news? ready to ship? (yeah i know i'm anxious!)

[Roams001]

friggin sweet...

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/05xterratirerack01.jpg

[ahriman]

hmm, something familiar about this bumper, do not know what it is...


hmm...



what is it?


[tap, tap, tap...]



oh, yeah!!!:

http://brooksweb.org/4run/ahriman.jpg


:rotflmao:


Drum roll please................................ :D

































http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb.jpg

[Tucson T4R]

That doesn't look similar to me. The current Shrockworks design is much more well thought out and pratical. This other bumper doesn't incorproate the multiple in bumper lights or have the ability to mount an internal bumper winch.

[bulldog]

hmm, something familiar about this bumper, do not know what it is...


hmm...



what is it?


[tap, tap, tap...]



oh, yeah!!!:


:rotflmao:

Very funny :lol: :lol:

Guys chill it is a bumper he made for his 4R many moons ago, I believe the second ever custom bumper.

[my034runner]

Dude, it's not even close!!! :shocked: I'll take my ShrockWorks Bumper now please. I scratched buy plastic bumper more yesterday, I could have used the extra approach angle! :)
:rockon:

[ahriman]

whoa! you guys are SENSITIVE. i will have to remember that.

[Cruiserhead]

ahriman, nice to see you on this forum!

A little backstory here, Ahriman had his 4Runner modded and wheeling Moab way back in 03 I think. He had a locker and other stuff put in.

His front bumper is made by himself! Yes, he did all the fab work and design. There are similarities in design and considering his is at least a couple years old, it is very forward thinking.

So, lighten up guys and welcome Ahriman! :beer:

[ahriman]

ahriman, nice to see you on this forum!

A little backstory here, Ahriman had his 4Runner modded and wheeling Moab way back in 03 I think. He had a locker and other stuff put in.

His front bumper is made by himself! Yes, he did all the fab work and design. There are similarities in design and considering his is at least a couple years old, it is very forward thinking.

So, lighten up guys and welcome Ahriman! :beer:

hey thanx ________ [insert name here] :D ... i will get my sig up to date so all can see what my frunner has endured from me

andries and i met up last night and he gave me the skinny on this site. good to be here! and a :drink: tipped for you as well...

[bulldog]

whoa! you guys are SENSITIVE. i will have to remember that.
I guess that ends your hopes of becoming a fabber :rotflmao:

Hope to see you out on some trails sometime.

Anyhow, back to the scheduled programming.

[ahriman]

Hope to see you out on some trails sometime.


say what? we need to take these things off-road?!?! :shocked:

[r0cky]

hey ahriman!

[ahriman]

hey ahriman!

knew i'd find you again... :)

[bulldog]

knew i'd find you again... :)
OK group hug is over :nono: , back to SW bumpers people :spank:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Ok now seriously back to SW bumpers

[shrockworks]

OK folks I'd say we are about 6-8 weeks away from 1st unit shipment. Lead times on some materials and services involved are getting quite long. I need to start placing some orders and lining things up with certain vendors. People seem pleased with the look and features of the prototype, so if there are no objections, I'm going to start charging cards, except for shipping. If anyone wants out for any reason. I will issue a refund immediately.

If anyone is not OK with this please let me know.

Jim

[r0cky]

OK folks I'd say we are about 6-8 weeks away from 1st unit shipment. Lead times on some materials and services involved is getting quite long. I need to start placing some orders and lining things up with certain vendors. People seem pleased with the look and features of the prototype, so if there are no objections, I'm going to start charging cards, except for shipping. If anyone wants out for any reason. I will issue a refund immediately.

Jim

And if we can't order at this time, will we still be able to later? Or is there only going to be one shipment?

[shrockworks]

After the first batch, they will become a std product for us. Typical lead times are about 4 weeks for a powder coated front bumper, so just figure you'll be able to get one about 4-5 weeks after you place the order once the initial group gets theirs.

[my034runner]

SWEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bulldog]

OK folks I'd say we are about 6-8 weeks away from 1st unit shipment. Lead times on some materials and services involved are getting quite long. I need to start placing some orders and lining things up with certain vendors. People seem pleased with the look and features of the prototype, so if there are no objections, I'm going to start charging cards, except for shipping. If anyone wants out for any reason. I will issue a refund immediately.

If anyone is not OK with this please let me know.

Jim
Fine by me, but what is the final price list for these? I want the whole thing with PC, etc. Also do we just order the lights from you or will you supply the part #s?

THX for the update. Would have been nice to show them of at Big Bear, but I guess we will have to organize another run :D

[shrockworks]

Fine by me, but what is the final price list for these?

That might help huh!

$859.00 That includes the Front bumper powder coated black, front skid and turn signals.

Small fee for colors other than black, TBD, but it will be <$50.00.

The PIAA 4" fog or driving lights will be optional. We will have them available at ship time if you want them.

Jim

[Tucson T4R]

Charge away Jim! I'm ready. I plan to order the black and have you include the PIAA driving lights in mine. Any chance you can get a decent price on the Ramsey Patriot 9500 w/ Synthetic Rope, Aluminum fairlead & wireless remote and throw that in with the shipment?? Thanks.

[shrockworks]

Charge away Jim! I'm ready. I plan to order the black and have you include the PIAA driving lights in mine. Any chance you can get a decent price on the Ramsey Patriot 9500 w/ Synthetic Rope, Aluminum fairlead & wireless remote and throw that in with the shipment?? Thanks.


I'm working on pricing for the winches. I should be able to make it very attractive.

[bulldog]

I'm working on pricing for the winches. I should be able to make it very attractive.
That would be great, also if you can list prices for the lights. WIll make it easier to make final decisions before shipping.

[ssmathis]

So how to convince the wife at the same time we're buying a new house...... :)

Scott

[Roams001]

Black Powdercoat
PIAA driving lights
Ramsey Patriot 9500 w/ Synthetic Rope, Aluminum fairlead & wireless remote

Please.

:beer:

[expat]

Charging cards...hang on....are you charging a deposit or full amount? What is the exact amount you will be charging at this time...did I miss it somewhere else in the thread or another post?

Does the $859 include delivery? If not how we will be advised of the delivery charges?

Will there be any benefit (saving on delivery charges?) in having a number of bars delivered to one location in SoCal for those who might be interested?

Do we need to confirm our specific order eg with/out lights/winch, color etc?

I still haven't recieved an answer on how closely, if at all, your powdercoater can get to the Toyota colors. As mentioned in a previous post of mine, when I had my sliders powder coated, there were about 10 or more different shades of white we had to work thru. I'd like to clarify this issue asap.

Thanks
Mark

[PanteraLKN]

and does this price include the hoops?

[expat]

Well I see my account has been debitted for the full amount already. Anyhow, if I can answers to the rest of the questions I'd appreciate it

[shrockworks]

I thought I covered all this, but I'll try to get it all in one post.

$859.00 Includes:
- The bumper as pictured above.
- Powder coated black
- All top tube work
- Turn signals
- Cut-outs for 4" PIAA driving or fog lights
- Front skid plate (probably stainless steel)
- Adjustable up (1.25 - 1.5" for body lift) Will require a different front
skid plate, so I will need to know if you have one. There will probably be
an added fee for this in the future, but it will be waived for the first group

Options:
- Delete headlight hoops (deduct $25.00)
- Delete all top tube (deduct $40.00)
- Bare steel (deduct $100.00)
- White Powder coat, fairly close match to Toyota White.
Price TBD, probably $25-$50)
- 4" PIAA lights (in bumper)
- Various winches
- Large Hella or PIAA offroad lights (top of bumper)

Shipping usually runs $90-180 depending on location and business or residential address. I gave many of you a quote at the time you placed the deposit. With your zip and biz or residence, I can tell you exactly.

I do not need the exact config you want right now, but if you know what you want please let me know. I have recorded what we discussed at time of order. One person specified bare steel, most black, a couple white, a couple body lift, one w/ no tube, etc.

ALL DETAILS WILL BE CONFIRMED by phone or email before production on your specific bumper starts and any billing adustments needed will be made. There is no need to worry that it will be made any way other than exactly how you want it.

If you change your mind, you will be refunded the same day no questions asked. If you receieve a bumper and have fit issues or are unhappy with your bumper for any reason, I will fix it to your satisfaction or take it back, YOUR choice! This is std policy for all orders for us.

Any other concerns, let me know!

PS - Some sliders will be shipping within about 3-4 weeks!

[bulldog]

Jim thx for answering the questions.

[Joel]

Are they going to be shipped in the order we ordered? :D

[my034runner]

I was first to start all of this, but forth on the order list, can I get mine soon, if you are going in order?
I want mine BLACK, with the hoops, and maybe the lights. The lights depend on if I can get them for less through my store. Will you have any Hi Lift mounts, and/or shovel/Axe mounts that might fasten to the hoops in some fashion? That would be a great place to put those items. Also, I have a RB 1.5" BL, but haven't installed it yet, and am not sure if I need to put it on, as my suspension that I have now, has solved a lot of my tire clearance issues, but might consider cutting them down to 1" and installing. Will that still work? :bigok:
:devil:

[expat]

Great, thanks for clarifying those questions. Looking forward to taking delivery. Will confirm my specs to you asap.

[4run4fun]

I am excited to have found this site and this thread and I am very interested in this bumper! Mine has gotten pretty shredded and I have been giving thought to building one. This is much better than I could do (not to mention the amount of time it would take me) and the price seems good.

A few questions:

Is there a color available to match the Toyota gray cladding? (I have on silver 03 sport model)

Is the skidplate a separate piece? Or is it an integrated part? I already have custom skids, so it is important to know this and know the dimensions/design of your skid to see how it will all fit in.

I would probably be interested in the fully accessorized version, including winch, so I am waiting to see what you come up with there.

What's a general estimate of shipping to the Phoenix area?

Thanks for building something for us Toy lovers!

[PanteraLKN]

when you say "close to the toyota white" how close is it? can you spray some metal and do a side by side photo with a white 4runner?

do the turn signals retain the function of the DRL's ?

i'd be very interested in a winch combo as well.

mark

[expat]

Ok - small panic...

Tried to ring Shrockworks but they are finished for the day so I left a message.

My account was debitted yesterday and then creditted back today. Anyone else have this occur?

Jim - if your watching this thread - any problem? I do want the bullbar - don't give mine away.... :nono: :o:

[bulldog]

JIm to add to the seemingly growing list of questions, how much does this bumper weigh with skid, hooops and PC? Thx.

[K6UK]

I thought I would photoshop my 2006 and see how this bumper would look - obviously this is only an a rough idea:
http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/71883814-M.jpg

Pretty cool me thinks.

-Mike

[007-FJC]

Hey, I was lazy to photoshop it, so I MSpainted it. Shrockworks guy, I mentioned you in the FJ-Cruiser forums. You guys are gonna have 5trillion bumpers on order.
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=79473#post79473

[PanteraLKN]

any idea on when our questions will be answered?

[ToyFamily]

yes they will still be DRL's

[PanteraLKN]

any updates?

[Cruiserhead]

Hey guys, I know this is very exciting and everyone is anxious to get bumpers but let's be realisitic on what SW can do to accomidate everyone's requests.
Altho I am sure SW is happy to answer all concerns, patience is the better part of you b/c he needs to build product and run his business as well.

If you have a question, go through the thread first (or search function it). It may have already been answered.

[Joel]

:iagree

And if you really need answers, give them a call, and post what you learn.

[shrockworks]

:iagree

And if you really need answers, give them a call, and post what you learn.

Yes, If you need a quick answer, please call. Still way way backed up on email from taking Sat & Monday off for Memorial day.

Short answer on the color is....reasonably close/fairly close...but definitely not perfect. If you want a very close match, get it bare and get a body shop to paint it w/ matching paint.

We havent even attempted the match yet since we dont have any bumpers to powder coat yet, but as a general rule, you can get fairly close with powder coat, but that's about it. You cant blend it for a match like paint. You just pick an available color that's close.

[shrockworks]

JIm to add to the seemingly growing list of questions, how much does this bumper weigh with skid, hooops and PC? Thx.

best guess is 120 lbs +/- 10 lbs .... really close guess, but we havent weighed one yet.

[007-FJC]

Are you guys making a bunch of 4r bumpers at once, or doing one bumper at a time? If your making a bunch at a time, how many are made so far?

[Jared]

Man, you guys are persistent. The more he's on the web, the less he's in the shop!

[my034runner]

Man, you guys are persistent. The more he's on the web, the less he's in the shop!


Yeah, but I/we Want my/our bumper(s)!!! :shout: :guns: :D

[Joel]

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. Jim decided to make a 2nd proto to perfect the lines and fit. Splash gaurds have been designed for under the wings to protect the washer bottle etc. The front skid is now going to be stainless to save some weight. At this point we are looking at around 6-8 weeks till shipment. As far as order for shipment, if you ordered in this batch, don't worry much because they will all be going to the powdercoater at the same time.

It really sounds like he is taking his time to make sure this is a top notch product that everyone will be happy with. I'm sure some people may be getting impatient but once you've got your bumper mounted, you'll forget all about the wait for it. Take these next two months to really put the hurt on your factory bumper! :D

[bulldog]

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. Jim decided to make a 2nd proto to perfect the lines and fit. Splash gaurds have been designed for under the wings to protect the washer bottle etc. The front skid is now going to be stainless to save some weight. At this point we are looking at around 6-8 weeks till shipment. As far as order for shipment, if you ordered in this batch, don't worry much because they will all be going to the powdercoater at the same time.

It really sounds like he is taking his time to make sure this is a top notch product that everyone will be happy with. I'm sure some people may be getting impatient but once you've got your bumper mounted, you'll forget all about the wait for it. Take these next two months to really put the hurt on your factory bumper! :D
:iagree :rockon:

[Cruiserhead]

I'm sure some people may be getting impatient but once you've got your bumper mounted, you'll forget all about the wait for it.

This is totally true!
Same thing when I waited for sliders and bumper. I couldn't wait! I was anxious and thought I needed it NOW! It took forever!

But once you have them, you are so happy that the wait was nothing and it was silly to get all worked up over it.

Plus, it looks like SW is already upping the ante w/ some nice upgrades! It's a long time until you get it- then you feel like, YES it was worth the wait and glad I did!

[expat]

Geez, I don't think anyone is getting impatient and I don't think any of the questions have been unreasonably asked. Everyone has been good humored and polite.

People just want to be kept in the loop about progress, after all, it's the buyers creating this market.

Yes, I want my bullbar yesterday, but I can wait and so will everyone else.

Sorry - I might just be having a bad day but it seems like anytime a question gets asked, posters jump on the board asking everyone to chill.

It is also interesting to note that some businesses prefer not to be bugged by constant phone calls (immediate attention) vs email/forums (in their own time). SW obviously prefers phone calls so I guess this thread can be shut as we will all ring with our ideas and thoughts.

:pissed1: :soap: :deadhorse :shout: :rolleyes: :mecry: :moon: :spank:





















:jester:

[bulldog]

:jester: :jester: :jester:

[Dealmaker]

I'm glad to hear about the 2nd proto. Seems like there is a genuine interest by SW to provide a top-notch quality product, and not to just slam-bang something to market for us.

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. Jim decided to make a 2nd proto to perfect the lines and fit. Splash gaurds have been designed for under the wings to protect the washer bottle etc. The front skid is now going to be stainless to save some weight. At this point we are looking at around 6-8 weeks till shipment. As far as order for shipment, if you ordered in this batch, don't worry much because they will all be going to the powdercoater at the same time.

It really sounds like he is taking his time to make sure this is a top notch product that everyone will be happy with. I'm sure some people may be getting impatient but once you've got your bumper mounted, you'll forget all about the wait for it. Take these next two months to really put the hurt on your factory bumper! :D

[PanteraLKN]

i have no problem waiting until it is ready -- and i don't want to rush it.

I do think we should not have been charged full price prior to having set ship dates. A deposit would have been fine and i would not complain about that.

[my034runner]

I really like the fact that Jim & Co. are trying to perfect this bumper and making a product that's worthy of being bolted up on a Toyota!! :bow: :bow:
The only thing that I would like to see, is maybe a few more updates, thanks Joel for taking the time to get a hold of Jim. I will wait, and wait, and will be happy as hell when I take off my beat up OEM Tupperware front bumper!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :guns: :shocked:

Also consider this folks:
It's only been since Feb. 13th 2006 (http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332) that I first found Jim's company and got a hold of him, and posted the poll.
Now, it's what, June? That's only four (4) months, and look how far he has come, it almost ready to be produced!! :shout: :banana:
And the 4th Generation 4Runner (our trucks) have been out for three (3) model years, and the other bigger companies STILL DON'T have theirs available yet.
Jim and ShrockWorks have done in four (4) months, what other bigger companies have fully ignored. :pissed1:
:iagree :rockon:

[ToyFamily]

Hey guys,

The thread doesn't have to die necessarily. I know I check this board out periodically throughout the week and weekend for relevant info. It is true that if you have a dying concern just all for immediate answers.

I realize you want updates on things and when I have made big leaps in the progress of the bumper we have been letting you know. However, after posting up the pics of the initial design for you to see, there is a ton of minor tweeks being made as I work on it. It's not really pheasable for me to tell you I have adjusted this plane a degree, or trimmed this edge a little more for a body line, for a couple of reasons. For one it's hard to explain to you in pics, taking both time to explain and get the right pic. Secondly, I often tweek the same thing several times, then adjust it again as another variable comes into play.

Also realize I am pin balling between seveal projects. There are other products needing immediate attention at one moment and maybe this bumper another. I could be waiting on a light to test for this and jump over to the Xterra rear to adjust some issue and/or then onto some other new product at the same time. Then wait on the outsoarced pieces. Usually when I work on it and have something substantial to say I will.

This thread has helped us develop this bumper with some of your ideas. I try to incorporate them as much as possible, and that's what I hope this thread continues to do. At the same time we are trying to build something for the whole consumer base and have to balance that line of Hard Core/Hobbiest who all could benefit from this. But I do think you can get a more personally specific product than some other companies.

I hope this doesn't come off as upset at all, I just took a moment to give you a little background.

Dicsclaimer:The words in this post by this employee in no way officially represents the stance or views of Jim or Shrockworks, if you want anything answered e-mail, or even better yet call Jim for the official info. :D


:soap: I''ll step down, Carry on :D

[Tucson T4R]

No complaints from me at all. I think SW has done an outstanding job listening to our suggestions as well as coming up great ideas we didn't think of like the SS front skid. I for one think the final product will be well worth the wait. :-)

[my034runner]

Nick,
Thanks for the update. Just keep doing what you're doing. I already know that you and Jim understand that Toyota owners are a picky bunch and we applaud the fact that you all are listening to our needs and are making us The Best Bumper on the market!!!! :bow: :bow:
Although I'd like to have had mine yesterday as well, I also know that in four months, you've come a long way, way more than some of the other companies. And I don't think anyone is going to shut down this thread, it would be counterproductive.
:rockon: :iagree :guitar:

[RapidRunner]

we are trying to build something for the whole consumer base and have to balance that line of Hard Core/Soccer Mom who all could benefit from this.

My wife drives an unmodified Sequoia Limited, and likes it just the way it is.

Um, if you're trying to build a bumper for soccer moms, then I think I'd better ask for my money back.

Just kiddin' -- sort of!

:rotflmao:

[ToyFamily]

My wife drives an unmodified Sequoia Limited, and likes it just the way it is.

Um, if you're trying to build a bumper for soccer moms, then I think I'd better ask for my money back.

Just kiddin' -- sort of!

:rotflmao:

My point was there is a spectrum of customers from Hobbiest to hard core. For example, when we posted pics of some bumper we were working on someone had mentioned that it showed too much tire from the front.....I might toss that near soccer mom/mall queen. :flipoff: If I were building this for a personal trail rig I'd make more mods to the vehicle to tuck the bumper in to gain approach and clearance, which can not necessarily be expected to have a customer to have to do. There is a balance to to TRY to please MOST, and still be happy with our product.

Nick

Again - Dicsclaimer:The words in this post by this employee in no way officially represents the stance or views of Jim or Shrockworks, if you want anything answered e-mail, or even better yet call Jim for the official info.

[my034runner]

My point was there is a spectrum of customers from mall queens to hard core. For example, when we posted pics of some bumper we were working on someone had mentioned that it showed too much tire from the front.....I might toss that near soccer mom/mall queen. :flipoff: If I were building this for a personal trail rig I'd make more mods to the vehicle to tuck the bumper in to gain approach and clearance, which can not necessarily be expected to have a customer to have to do. There is a balance to to TRY to please MOST, and still be happy with our product.

Nick

Again - Disclaimer:The words in this post by this employee in no way officially represents the stance or views of Jim or Shrockworks, if you want anything answered e-mail, or even better yet call Jim for the official info.







:bow: :bow: :rockon: :iagree :banana:

[RapidRunner]

My point was there is a spectrum of customers from mall queens to hard core. For example, when we posted pics of some bumper we were working on someone had mentioned that it showed too much tire from the front.....I might toss that near soccer mom/mall queen. :flipoff: If I were building this for a personal trail rig I'd make more mods to the vehicle to tuck the bumper in to gain approach and clearance, which can not necessarily be expected to have a customer to have to do. There is a balance to to TRY to please MOST, and still be happy with our product.

Nick

Again - Dicsclaimer:The words in this post by this employee in no way officially represents the stance or views of Jim or Shrockworks, if you want anything answered e-mail, or even better yet call Jim for the official info.


I see your point -- the more customers you can please, the more product you're gonna sell. My impression going into this, however, was that you were building a product primarily for wheelers not poseurs. It would seem to me that most mall queens would be happy with the stick on shiny stuff they can get from their toyota dealers. I doubt there are all that many people willing to shell out close to $1000 for this particular bumper just to look cool at the mall -- especially with the built-in winch mount.

I guess that I'm seriously petitioning you to build this with off-roaders in mind and not mall queens. My guess is, that if you compromise off-road ability to satisfy the mall queens (e.g. compromise approach angle to hide the tires) then you might not sell as many of these to off-roaders. And, since I really doubt you're gonna sell all that many to soccer-moms, you might actually be hurting your sales. Sometimes it's better to produce a great, purpose-driven product, than to compromise to the point that you don't really fully satisfy anyone. You can't be all things to all people with one product.

I really don't mean to be to preachy -- this is your product and you guys are the bosses! But again, I'm counting on a real off-road bumper with improved approach angles and increased tire clearance.

If you're making any serious changes compared to the original prototype, would you please post photos for us?

Thanks for listening!

[ToyFamily]

I guess I'm phrasing my point in the wrong way. I'm done :deadhorse ...I agree with you. I am in no way compramising the off-road advantages of this product for "Soccer Moms or Mall Queens", these must be the wrong words to use, I changed it to "Hobbiest". That is the farthest thing from me or Shrockworks or I wouldn't be here. This whole design is born with offroad in mind in every aspect.

The bumper so far has no substantial changes made from what you've seen. For the most part some holes have been adjusted to line up. I have drawn up some under skids for the sides to cover the waterbottle and other side.

nick

Again - Dicsclaimer:The words in this post by this employee in no way officially represents the stance or views of Jim or Shrockworks, if you want anything answered e-mail, or even better yet call Jim for the official info.

[RapidRunner]

I guess I'm phrasing my point in the wrong way. I'm done :deadhorse ...I agree with you. I am in no way compramising the off-road advantages of this product for "Soccer Moms or Mall Queens", that is the farthest thing from me or Shrockworks or I wouldn't be here. This whole design is born with offroad in mind in every aspect.

The bumper so far has no substantial changes made from what you've seen. For the most part some holes have been adjusted to line up. I have drawn up some under skids for the sides to cover the waterbottle and other side.

nick

Now you're talking my kinda language!!!

Woohoo!

:rockon:

My poor little runner's parked in the drive right now without a bumper and we can't wait.

[Dealmaker]

Just for the record, all you anxious bumper-buyers, my post #160 was made based upon the photoshop of the xterra bumber on the 4Runner. Just want to make that clear so I'm not drawn & quartered at the next toyota120.com event, and so my T-ball/surf wagon dad SUV won't be labeled a soccer mom SUV :rotflmao:

Looks good! Personally I hope the final product will turn out just a bit broader to cover the wheels a little more when running the beefy tires.

[Joel]

Just want to make that clear so I'm not drawn & quartered at the next toyota120.com event

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[my034runner]

I guess I'm phrasing my point in the wrong way. I'm done :deadhorse ...I agree with you. I am in no way compromising the off-road advantages of this product for "Soccer Moms or Mall Queens", these must be the wrong words to use, I changed it to "Hobbyist". That is the farthest thing from me or Shrockworks or I wouldn't be here. This whole design is born with off road in mind in every aspect.

The bumper so far has no substantial changes made from what you've seen. For the most part some holes have been adjusted to line up. I have drawn up some under skids for the sides to cover the water bottle and other side.

nick

Again - Disclaimer:The words in this post by this employee in no way officially represents the stance or views of Jim or Shrockworks, if you want anything answered e-mail, or even better yet call Jim for the official info.




Thanks Nick. I think that that cleared it up for everybody. :iagree :bigok:

[K6UK]

Kinda late to mention this... but looking at the photoshop mockup... I kinda liked the angles on that front bumper - compared with the more squared off look of the prototype. But maybe it's just me? - or maybe it's not doeable the other way.


-Mike

[RapidRunner]

Kinda late to mention this... but looking at the photoshop mockup... I kinda liked the angles on that front bumper - compared with the more squared off look of the prototype. But maybe it's just me? - or maybe it's not doeable the other way.


-Mike

For comparison sake, here's the link to the prototype photos:

http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3975&postcount=238

[ToyFamily]

The thing about that angle is the water bottle is VERY low and sticks out as it is... if you look close on the no tube version you can see a bit of the plastic of the water bottle under the bottom edge. And the camera is at face level standing

Nick

[bulldog]

I like the idea of closing up a bit. My one concern was leavin it open that water can reach the air intake when doing water crossings with a bit of speed. A plate will help a lot to block most of it away. I really like the prototype, and for you guys please remember the 4R with the prototype is not lifted, so once you lift it will look even more agressive with a bit more tire sticking out.

[Roams001]

...that I first found Jim's company...

Who first contacted Shrockworks? :devil:

I'm just yanking your chain...the end result is what matters. :banana: :banana:

[my034runner]

Who first contacted Shrockworks? :devil:

I'm just yanking your chain...the end result is what matters. :banana: :banana:



Me. :shout:
I found a mention of him over on t4r.org, or Yotatech, and started the ball rolling on this site. :iamwithst

[ToyFamily]

I like the idea of closing up a bit. My one concern was leavin it open that water can reach the air intake when doing water crossings with a bit of speed. A plate will help a lot to block most of it away. I really like the prototype, and for you guys please remember the 4R with the prototype is not lifted, so once you lift it will look even more agressive with a bit more tire sticking out.


Yea we would love to see this on a lifted runner with some bigger tires....

[my034runner]

Yea we would love to see this on a lifted runner with some bigger tires....


Well, when we get them mounted, we'll post pictures. Most of us are lifted. :rockon:

[Roams001]

Me. :shout:
I found a mention of him over on t4r.org, or Yotatech, and started the ball rolling on this site. :iamwithst


LOL...that was me that mentioned it over at t4r.

[expat]

:rolleyes: who gives a rats arse who got the ball rolling :rolleyes: Your both heroes...now back to the topic :flipoff:

These bars are going to look very aggressive. I finally won't have front end envy while out on the trails. (well maybe until Bulldog drops his pants again :jester: )

[bulldog]

Oh man this thread has gone downhill quickly :hidebc:

I can't wait for my bumper. It is getting very close now, so I'll just mark the days on my calnedar.

[my034runner]

LOL...that was me that mentioned it over at t4r.


Did I find post about on T4r, yeah, but don't remember who it was. All I did was make another contact with Jim to get the ball rolling on This site, as I'm on Toy120 way more than t4r. So thanks, :bow: and because of both of our efforts, we're now getting a great product. And now we have two boards buying them!! :bigok:

On a side note, I went down to Burro Wash yesterday, and we hung out on the Colorado river for the day. There was a 3rd gen 4R and a new Xterra already there. They were checking out my034runner, and asking about other mods, I mentioned Jim's name and that we are getting custom bumpers made, and the Xterra guy knew immediately who I was talking about! He even mentioned ShrockWorks by name. Jim seems like he has fans everywhere! Even on the river! :iagree :banana:

[bulldog]

Did I find post about on T4r, yeah, but don't remember who it was. All I did was make another contact with Jim to get the ball rolling on This site, as I'm on Toy120 way more than t4r. So thanks, :bow: and because of both of our efforts, we're now getting a great product. And now we have two boards buying them!! :bigok:



Yeah yeah, and who spoke with Jim to get agreement on the ball rolling?? :flipoff: :moon: :lol: :lol:

OK enough of this yada yada stuff. I think it is just showing people are waiting for their bumpers and have little to add till they actually get them. So lets get back to topic guys. I think the next thread should be a installation with pics thread.

BTW I believe Mark volunteered to do a write up of the SW 4R bumper for a Toyota rag, hoep I remember correctly. This way lots of people got to do their part to get it happening.

[my034runner]

Yeah yeah, and who spoke with Jim to get agreement on the ball rolling?? :flipoff: :moon: :lol: :lol:

OK enough of this yada yada stuff. I think it is just showing people are waiting for their bumpers and have little to add till they actually get them. So lets get back to topic guys. I think the next thread should be a installation with pics thread.

BTW I believe Mark volunteered to do a write up of the SW 4R bumper for a Toyota rag, hope I remember correctly. This way lots of people got to do their part to get it happening.



:rockon: :iagree :cow: :bow:

[expat]

BTW I believe Mark volunteered to do a write up of the SW 4R bumper for a Toyota rag...

Hell yeah....B U T....if anyone else wants to do it, go for it. I don't need no glory, just my bullbar on the truck. ;)

I was hoping to have all the time in the world as I go on holidays this week for two months. Now the bullbar is still seven odd weeks away, I just hope I'll have it before I have to get busy with work again.

[bulldog]

Hell yeah....B U T....if anyone else wants to do it, go for it. I don't need no glory, just my bullbar on the truck. ;)
Nah your turn. So instead of just poser pics on Dunes, you can get some real content in the rags :P

On a serious note I think it would be great if you do it, to show what can be done when people team together to get things done. Also to show that there is a growing market for 4R and other 120 platform vehicles in aftermarket offroad parts.

[Roams001]

No glory for me, just the bumper please. I was just giving my034runner a hard time. I guess it wasn't as funny as I thought. I apologize, back on topic.

[my034runner]

No glory for me, just the bumper please. I was just giving my034runner a hard time. I guess it wasn't as funny as I thought. I apologize, back on topic.



:iagree :cow:

[PanteraLKN]

any updates?

[rra640]

I read through this thread and really like the new SW bumper. I might consider one once I get over the shock of the new lift. I didn't see any mention of this bumper working with the factory airbag.

Also, can the new lights hook up to the existing wire harness to use the factory switching?

[Joel]

http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2630&postcount=92

[chiefiji]

any updates?

talked to shrockworks (forgot to ask the guy for his name) today to get an update. prototype 2 is about two weeks out. a new addition to prototype 2 is a splash guard underneath the washer bottle. if prototype 2 is good to go, then they'll start ordering the laser cut pieces for the production model. it seems at the earliest, it'll be 4-6 weeks before production will begin.

[my034runner]

talked to shrockworks (forgot to ask the guy for his name) today to get an update. prototype 2 is about two weeks out. a new addition to prototype 2 is a splash guard underneath the washer bottle. if prototype 2 is good to go, then they'll start ordering the laser cut pieces for the production model. it seems at the earliest, it'll be 4-6 weeks before production will begin.


Thanks for the update. I was just fixing to e-mail Jim to see what's up. :bigok:

[bulldog]

Thx for the update. These things always take a long time, sometimes it feels like forever though. I'm just glad they are addressing the washer bottle air intake area.

[expat]

it seems at the earliest, it'll be 4-6 weeks before production will begin.

Henry - is this what they told you or are you assuming? If six weeks, that's about the middle of August right? If so,cool, because I still have time to get it shipped and fitted before going back to work.

:bow: Praying for four weeks ;)

[my034runner]

Seeing that I've already paid for mine, I sure would like to have it! :wavey:

[Asolo]

hey...at least you've been driving yours for the past 3-4 months. it's taken everything I have not to bug them about when I'm gettin' my 4runner back! :o:

[Cruiserhead]

damn man, you deserve a round :beer: on these guys! :D

[Jared]

I definitely think Asolo is the superstar in here. He sure is taking one for the team. I think everyone who ends up getting a bumper, owes him a beer. :drink:

I don't think that's too much to ask!

[my034runner]

I'll get you a case of :beer: Thanks for helping the team! :bigok: :wavey:

[bulldog]

damn man, you deserve a round :beer: on these guys! :D
:iamwithst :flipoff:

Definitely agree.

[expat]

Rock on Asolo.

[Asolo]

lol :rotflmao:

[my034runner]

Bump for our bumpers!!!

[expat]

Has anyone actually removed their bumper before? Just curious if there were any tips or tricks. How long did it take etc.

[bulldog]

Nope, but I got the manual to help out if I get stuck :P

[RapidRunner]

Has anyone actually removed their bumper before? Just curious if there were any tips or tricks. How long did it take etc.

Took me about 5 seconds. Tools used:

Snowy driveway
Retaining wall
Late to work :cry:

[expat]

Ouch! :mecry:

[Mikestang]

Took me about 5 seconds. Tools used:

Snowy driveway
Retaining wall
Late to work :cry:

While I'm sure that's a very fast way to remove it, I'd rather use regular hand tools, heh heh.

[Mikestang]

Has the 2nd prototype been finished? Curious to see updated picts. I've got to get a set of sliders here first, but this bumper will be next on my list.

[my034runner]

I talked to Jim on the phone a couple of days ago. He said that the second prototype would be done in a bout a week (from 3 days ago) and that they would start the production process shortly. Probably about 6 weeks before shipping, give or take. :devil:

[Joel]

Something tells me it won't be 'take'.... :flipoff:

[expat]

Probably about 6 weeks before shipping, give or take. :devil:


W H A T !!!!!! 6 weeks. Damn! Boohoo :cry:

[PanteraLKN]

geeze this is taking forever

in my mind anyhow

[Mikestang]

You can't rush perfection.
Good things come to those who wait.
Patience, young Skywalker.
<insert favorite cliche here> :bounce:

[bulldog]

It is a pain to wait, but I would rather have a better product. I emailed Jim to see if he has any updates. I might just give him a buzz later this week to see if he has an update on the timeline.

[shrockworks]

Should have prototype #2 on the truck and new pics next week!

#2 usually only requires a couple minor changes then we are off to production.

I'll give a new timeline update, once it's ready and we have a chance to fit it on the truck.

It will be well worth the wait!

[my034runner]

Should have prototype #2 on the truck and new pics next week!

#2 usually only requires a couple minor changes then we are off to production.

I'll give a new timeline update, once it's ready and we have a chance to fit it on the truck.

It will be well worth the wait!



Thanks Jim. :bigok:

[bulldog]

Thanks Jim. :bigok:
x2 :iagree

[PanteraLKN]

thanks for the update

[expat]

In Oz it is common to link the bullbar to additional steel tubing that traverses along the front fender and down to the sliders.

I've seen many ARB bars in th past where they just bolt them on with a clasp. I don;t think that is so strong. I'm thinking more along the lines of welded on.

Can you see an opportunity to make this available too?

Like this...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Bullbar_landcruiser1.jpg

[rdr2go]

Sounds like it may finally be getting close to shipping date, based on projections from May that it would be 6-8 weeks from then!

Is it too late to get into first shipment?
Any chance on combo discount if I order sliders at same time?

Would there be any shipping savings possible if a bunch of the Northern California bumpers were crated and freighted in one shipment? I'd be happy to recieve pallet full of bumpers at my warehouse in Monterey, if we could save some shipping charges by having one large shipment instead of a bunch of individual shipments. That is if any one would be interested in that.

Then we could even have mass bumper install day somewhere.

What do ya think??

[bulldog]

Sounds like it may finally be getting close to shipping date, based on projections from May that it would be 6-8 weeks from then!

Is it too late to get into first shipment?
Any chance on combo discount if I order sliders at same time?

Would there be any shipping savings possible if a bunch of the Northern California bumpers were crated and freighted in one shipment? I'd be happy to recieve pallet full of bumpers at my warehouse in Monterey, if we could save some shipping charges by having one large shipment instead of a bunch of individual shipments. That is if any one would be interested in that.

Then we could even have mass bumper install day somewhere.

What do ya think??

Definitely give Jim a call and see. Can probably save some by buying the sliders and bumper together. Monterey is close enough for me to pick up if there is a significant saving in shipping. Most guys seem to be down in SoCal though.

[my034runner]

Definitely give Jim a call and see. Can probably save some by buying the sliders and bumper together. Monterrey is close enough for me to pick up if there is a significant saving in shipping. Most guys seem to be down in SoCal though.


What do you mean most, hey there's a bunch of us in Las Vegas too....
And it wouldn't be any problem for us to accept a group shipment either at my warehouse. I and Joel are the only one's getting it I think, Don't know if Ed and Jeff are getting one, the more the merrier.

[Asolo]

Just got off the phone w/ jim a bit ago...says they just got the 2nd proto mounted up. pics to follow, prolly next week sometime. looks like we're comin' along! :rockon:

[bulldog]

Just got off the phone w/ jim a bit ago...says they just got the 2nd proto mounted up. pics to follow, prolly next week sometime. looks like we're comin' along! :rockon:
Look forward to see the next pix.

[Joel]

x2........

[Mikestang]

:iagree

So many parts, so little $.

[PanteraLKN]

any pic's yet? updates???????????

[Joel]

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

[tour4fun]

It's OK, take your time. I voted 30th August ;) . What was the prize again :P ?

[Joel]

http://www.warofthering.net/forums/vbulletin225/upload/images/smilies/whistling.gif

[sibanez]

I talked to the guys at Shrockworks last week and will be there next week to pickup my sliders . . I know they said they were making good progress on the second prototype, so I'm sure we'll see it soon.

[Mikestang]

See if you can snap a pict or 3 of the bumper while you're there...

[ToyFamily]

You can finally get a look....we've been super busy with this and other projects.
There is little noticable changes you you can see, mostly details I'm working through and double checking. Some of the things you can't see is the top edge moved back slightly to tuck under the body better, winch solinoid box mounted behind the grill, a/c line moved up (slightly) and the light mounting situation, more nip/tucks, etc..
What you can see is the splash guards, stainless front skid, the sides have been lengthened a couple inches to fit the wheel well and plastic and how it'll look with lights. The signal lights are a slightly different but very close, those are mock up. The weather is dumping rain here so there's no pics of the full tube version yet...Jim said they'll shipping in 6 weeks.

Nick

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb8.jpg
http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb9.jpg
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[Joel]

VERY NICE!

Three questions:

Do the covers come off of the piaa lamps?
You're still planning on doing a full bar version I assume?
What winch is mounted?

[Joel]

1 more..

When will they ship!?

[ToyFamily]

VERY NICE!

Three questions:

Do the covers come off of the piaa lamps? yes, they snap on the side screws of the lights. Those were set into place and the "PIAA" would be striaght when mounted.
You're still planning on doing a full bar version I assume? yes, waiting on the rain to stop, it's in the warehouse. Jim is perticular about pics
What winch is mounted If you are asking which solinoid will mount on our bracket, I made it to fit Warn and both Ramsey mounting style. To answer you question though Ramsey REP 8.5 ?

You could fit a 12,000lb Ramsey patroit profile in there *as per measurements*....the only thing in the way is an A/C Line, which depending on the owners talents could be moved making 10.5" to the body (core support) from mounting surface. Without extensive a/c line relocation there is 8.75-9" to the a/c line.

Nick

[Tucson T4R]

Nick said they expected to ship in about six weeks. That's what I heard from Jim when I talked with him earlier this week as well.

I'm Ready! The bumper is looking great! I can't wait to get this puppy installed and take it out for some serious desert testing. :D

Also, Jim told me that Ramsey currently didn't make the syn line winch we wanted but said they would build the specific winch for Shrockworks. Very cool cause I want that puppy! :-)

[Joel]

Nick said they expected to ship in about six weeks. That's what I heard from Jim when I talked with him earlier this week as well.

It was 6-8 weeks 7 weeks ago. :shout: :cry:

[Tucson T4R]

It was 6-8 weeks 7 weeks ago. :shout: :cry:

Remember...patience is a virtue. Good things come those that wait. :jester:

[ToyFamily]

Also the winch solinoid box is so close the remote sol. port on the top race of the bumper that the plug was just taken out of the plastic cover and the wiring still reached.

Nick

[expat]

Nick said they expected to ship in about six weeks.

Your kidding right! ANOTHER six week story, man this is torture. I know it will be worth it, but this is serious bummer news-wise. I've had eight weeks of holidays and all my trips for the year will be gone BEFORE I get this on.

I know some of you will think I'm whining (and I am!) but I am just so frustrated at hearing its coming...its coming...

BTW..its looks very cool.

Thank you Shrockworks.

[shrockworks]

The covers are optional. The winch in there is a Ramsey 8500. Most 8000-9500 non-intergrated solenoid winches will fit fine. We have tested the Ramsey 8500 and 9500 and Warn 9500 and no issues with any of these.

I will have pricing up soon for the winches and light options.

Jim

[Joel]

I assume the lights used are the PIAA 510's?

[shrockworks]

I know the wait sucks, but the little details are always a killer. That's why all the big companies are always so evasive about giving any info at all on when a new product will be available, until it's actually done.

The good news is that the design is all done. It's always possible something else will turn up when we start making the first batch, but proto 2 was so good I think that is quite unlikely.

Thanks everyone for your patience!

Jim

[shrockworks]

I assume the lights used are the PIAA 510's?

That's Correct

[bulldog]

Looks good, would love to get it fitted before the Mojave Rd trip. Was hoping to have it on for the Sherman Pass trip.

I assume the bumper is still adjustable for bodylifts? If so how much again?

Thx.

[ToyFamily]

1.25-1.5 body lift...the holes are 1.25 apart and slotted a bit to accomadate both....

Nick

[Jared]

Well congrats on making a really nice bumper. I'm sure when everyone get's their's on, they won't even remember the wait.

Once again, very nice.

[Mikestang]

Wow, looks sweet! Any chance of a shot from below front showing specifically the front skid and how it mates up with the factory skid? I know it's a bummer for all you guys who already ordered, but since it's looking like Nov/Dec before my budget will have room for this beast I'm just happy to hear it will be ready before the end of the year! Great work, Shrockworks, thanks for supporting our platform

[shrockworks]

Wow, looks sweet! Any chance of a shot from below front showing specifically the front skid and how it mates up with the factory skid?

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb13.jpg

[chiefiji]

what's the guesstimated weight of the bumper right now? just want to know how many people it will need to take to install that sucker.

glad to know proto 2 went so well. better to catch all the bugs before production. tho i don't know whats more miserable, this heat :devil: or another 6-8 weeks :deadhorse

[expat]

ARB can kiss my a#%@. Beautiful.

Why is it tho that the skid at the bottom has cutouts. Wouldn't it be better from a sliding point of view, to cover over the exposed part of the crossmember on either side? Is it because of those damn tow hooks or am I just looking at it wrongly?

[Tucson T4R]

ARB can kiss my a#%@. Beautiful.

Why is it tho that the skid at the bottom has cutouts. Wouldn't it be better from a sliding point of view, to cover over the exposed part of the crossmember on either side? Is it because of those damn tow hooks or am I just looking at it wrongly?


Two words....... Air Flow

[Mikestang]

It would appear that the circular cut holes would provide enough air flow. I'm sure there's a reason for the spaces on the sides... (thanks for the additional pict).

[my034runner]

:devil:

Asolo's 4runner looks stock, is there plenty of room for 33" or larger tires?
And I'm assuming that the fixtures next to the PIAA lights are the turn signals, and not just reflectors.

And are you going to go back to each of us and reconfirm exactly how we want them? IE: with or without bars, with or without lights, powder coating and color of said powder coat etc...?
:devil:

[shrockworks]

Asolo's 4runner looks stock, is there plenty of room for 33" or larger tires?
And I'm assuming that the fixtures next to the PIAA lights are the turn signals, and not just reflectors.

And are you going to go back to each of us and reconfirm exactly how we want them? IE: with or without bars, with or without lights, powder coating and color of said powder coat etc...?


Yes, yes and yes. :D

[expat]

Two words....... Air Flow

I am not referring to the circular holes, but the cutouts on the sides that don't line up with the cross member.

[shrockworks]

I am not referring to the circular holes, but the cutouts on the sides that don't line up with the cross member.

I'll let Nick answer definitively, but I went out and looked, and didnt see a good way to do it all the way out to the edge of the crossmember and maintain the stock skid.

The only way I saw to do it would be to cut off the tow hooks, build in a spacer. The stock skid would probably have to be replaced to keep it all clean. That's a bit beyond the scope of what I'd want to do with the front bumper.....

The crossmember doesnt need protecting and doesnt look like it is going to be prone to hanging on thigs the way it is setup now.

HTH,
Jim

[expat]

I'll let Nick answer definitively, but I went out and looked, and didnt see a good way to do it all the way out to the edge of the crossmember and maintain the stock skid.

The only way I saw to do it would be to cut off the tow hooks, build in a spacer. The stock skid would probably have to be replaced to keep it all clean. That's a bit beyond the scope of what I'd want to do with the front bumper.....

The crossmember doesnt need protecting and doesnt look like it is going to be prone to hanging on thigs the way it is setup now.

HTH,
Jim

Ok, thanks, appreciate you taking the time here to answer these questions, especially as it takes time away from building our bars :wavey:


Cheers
Mark

[ksneubec]

Looks great Shrockworks guys! I've been in hiding from the off-roading scene since I cracked my factory bumper- I don't want to crack the new one since I'd like to try to sell it once the Shrockworks bumper comes in. Can't wait!!!

[ToyFamily]

The front skid is primarily to protect the bottom of the radiator from getting smashed, it is a beefy skid and will take a hit. To cover from edge to egde would complicate it much more. To install that full version, the customer would have to cut off both tow hooks then grind smooth the weld reminance. Not everyone has those capabilities and/or tools.

Like Jim said, it would really complicate reattaching the stock skid as there would need to be spacers all along the skid to be level to the outer edge of the frame. There are 4 stock threaded holes along the surface it's on and it can slip easily under the stock skid with slight modification. Also there is no extra holes on the sides. This was the strongest, tightest way I saw and most clearance possible.

What you can't see in the pics is that the sides of the skid are bent up to strengthen the plate from bending. From your view I can see why you ask why we didn't just extend it to the edge at least in the front. Also, the mounting bracket is close enough to the skid that there is little gap there and the bracket could be used to "ramp" up on. The mounting bracket on the bumper is angled and the frame bracket compliments it in a way to not hang up.

Nick

[sibanez]

Yeah, I'd prefer to avoid cutting anything off of my truck; you guys in Cali and Texas don't have to worry about salt on the roads, but up here in the Northeast it's hell.

Is the skid plate removable? I can see that being a wear item after a while.

[ToyFamily]

The skid is removable and it's stainless, so even if paint or powdercoat is preferred scrapes won't rust.

Nick

[r0cky]

You guys ready to make a body lift version?

I have a semester off before starting seminary, so I'd be happy to drive down there sometime. :)

[Dealmaker]

You guys ready to make a body lift version?

I have a semester off before starting seminary, so I'd be happy to drive down there sometime. :)

they have accounted for a body lift...
1.25-1.5 body lift...the holes are 1.25 apart and slotted a bit to accomadate both....

Nick

[my034runner]

Besides Joel and I, is there anyone else getting a ShrockWorks Front Bumper in Las Vegas? :confused: The reason I ask, is that Jim said that we Could save a little money if we shipped them to a business like mine. We can accept anything here at Findlay Toyota, and it would cost less.
Robert

[r0cky]

they have accounted for a body lift...

thanks, sorry that I missed that post.

[PanteraLKN]

updates? pricing?? more pics? shipping time frame?

[bulldog]

updates? pricing?? more pics? shipping time frame?
See post 422 from last week. Covers some of you questions. I think the other details will only be known a little later. So we will probably have to wait a little, I know it is a pain as I'm waiting too.

[expat]

It's interessting to note that ARB may possibly have their bar out in 4 weeks. This could be seen as a real promotional opportunity for Shrockworks. Thing is, does SW want the business and promotion? Maybe they are pretty max'd out with their current production ability.

[bulldog]

It's interessting to note that ARB may possibly have their bar out in 4 weeks. This could be seen as a real promotional opportunity for Shrockworks. Thing is, does SW want the business and promotion? Maybe they are pretty max'd out with their current production ability.
Jim, the race is on!! :D

[shrockworks]

Bully good show. Nothing like a little competition to get those lazy fabricators moving 'eh. It cetainly seems to have worked on ARB. :D

I'd say we are at about 4 weeks, so it will be close indeed.

Keep in mind they had a two YEAR head start!

[bulldog]

Bully good show. Nothing like a little competition to get those lazy fabricators moving 'eh. It cetainly seems to have worked on ARB. :D

I'd say we are at about 4 weeks, so it will be close indeed.

Keep in mind they had a two YEAR head start!
I'm confident that you will clean their clock once people can get their hands on your bumpers and actually see them in person. ARB makes good products, but I dont't believe their bumper has been adapted to local US conditions and requirements. The FJC ARB bumper shows that. They do have a solid reputation in the industry though, which makes it harder for the smaller guy to compete.

So lets see who has a bumper on their truck first :D

BTW: There is a competition on 120 on when the first SW bumper will ship. So when you ship the first one (mine I hope :D) please post up when it shipped. Thanks.

[Mikestang]

Well, from the pictures I've seen there's no comparison: SW wins hands down in all categories: fit, finish, styling, utility, protection, etc. etc. Plus I like supporting the small guys, and it's just a no-brainer when they offer what appears to me to be a far superior product. Now if my damn stock from my old company would just sell I could place my order... I hate wating on the IRS.

[sibanez]

I just got back from Shrockworks (picked up my sliders, pics coming soon) and would like to say that the second prototype bumper is amazing. It's made of much thicker materials than the ARB bumbers I have seen and has a nice, tight fit. I think we'll see that it's been worth the long wait. I will say, it's going to be one heavy piece of equipment, but that's a good thing.

[my034runner]

Nice!! :bigok: Thanks for the personal update!! :wavey: Any pictures?? :banana:

[rdr2go]

Any speculation as to how heavy? Sure, I would like a nice sturdy bumper, but I personally would prefer something that doesn't weigh too much!!

[Mikestang]

Could someone save me from reading through 24 pages of posts to find the contact name and number to order the bumper? Looks like I'll be able to get this sooner than I had anticipated.

[shrockworks]

Could someone save me from reading through 24 pages of posts to find the contact name and number to order the bumper? Looks like I'll be able to get this sooner than I had anticipated.

I can handle that.

877-474-7625
www.shrockworks.com

[Mikestang]

I can handle that.

Thanks, I'll be ordering in a week or two, woo hoo!

[shrockworks]

Any speculation as to how heavy? Sure, I would like a nice sturdy bumper, but I personally would prefer something that doesn't weigh too much!!

Will have a weight later today. It's getting final assembly and welding right now. Will have some pretty powder coated and installed pics in about a week too.

[shrockworks]

One new note. For you SR5 guys with the gray plastic trim. We can match that gray if you want.

Jim

[Jared]

One new note. For you SR5 guys with the gray plastic trim. We can match that gray if you want.

Jim

now THAT would look nice.

[my034runner]

That would look nice, but I think most of us have the painted monotone 4Runners. Jared's might be two tone though, I can't remember, I've only wheeled with him once so far.
And so you know Jim, the two tone (gray plastic) 4Runners were the early 2003 SR5 and Sport Editions. The only one that initially came fully painted at that time was the Limited.
Toyota promptly changed that when everybody started complaining about how ugly and almost GM like it looked. I've got one of the first fully painted '03's that came in our region.

I sure would like to have that bad ass SW bumper on My034runner SOON!!!!! :rockon: Would be nice to show off at the TTORA Big Bear run here in a couple of weeks!! :bigok:

[Mikestang]

One new note. For you SR5 guys with the gray plastic trim. We can match that gray if you want.

What other colors can be had? I know black, and I thought I remember reading white. I've got a silver truck, and will be painting the bumper to match most likely, unless somehow there's a silver powder coat available, heh heh.

[r0cky]

That would look nice, but I think most of us have the painted monotone 4Runners. Jared's might be two tone though, I can't remember, I've only wheeled with him once so far.
And so you know Jim, the two tone (gray plastic) 4Runners were the early 2003 SR5 and Sport Editions. The only one that initially came fully painted at that time was the Limited.
Toyota promptly changed that when everybody started complaining about how ugly and almost GM like it looked. I've got one of the first fully painted '03's that came in our region.

I sure would like to have that bad ass SW bumper on My034runner SOON!!!!! :rockon: Would be nice to show off at the TTORA Big Bear run here in a couple of weeks!! :bigok:

Actually, a lot of us have the two tone 4Runners.

I tried to call Jim to place my order today, left a message, but no call back. Hmmm.

[ToyFamily]

I tried to call Jim to place my order today, left a message, but no call back. Hmmm.

Jim had some earrands to run and the rest of us had to go rescue the truck and trailer that broke down on the way to the powder coater.

Nick

[Vegas Runner]

I have a question about the recessed lights. How do you keep them from getting impacted with mud/dirt?

[shrockworks]

I have a question about the recessed lights. How do you keep them from getting impacted with mud/dirt?

I'm not sure how this differs w/ anything else on the truck?

Just squirt it w/ a hose if it get muddy.

[PanteraLKN]

sorry been out of town -- when i asked for pricing -- i meant for the winches -- with the long wait and how patient we've been -- dealer cost would be nice?? ;-)

[Mikestang]

Any speculation as to how heavy? Sure, I would like a nice sturdy bumper, but I personally would prefer something that doesn't weigh too much!!
Previous post by shrockworks:
best guess is 120 lbs +/- 10 lbs .... really close guess, but we havent weighed one yet.


I'll have my check on Aug. 15th, and will place my order that day, so a few questions to help me plan my costs:

Small fee for colors other than black, TBD, but it will be <$50.00.
What other colors are available?

I'm working on pricing for the winches. I should be able to make it very attractive.
Would you be able to post the prices, or is this something we have to call in to find out? Specifically, I'm looking @ the Ramsey Patriot 9500 w/synth. line. Same with the lights, do you have a cost you can post up?

$859.00 Includes:
Is this cost for these first orders only, or is this what you will be selling them at? Will my order on the 15th be part of "the first batch" and get this price?


Does the recessed placement of the lights affect the 95* spread of the fog light? Seems it might be better to get the driving light and put a nice, yellow bulb in it.
http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-images/510_la.gif

Thanks.

[shrockworks]

sorry been out of town -- when i asked for pricing -- i meant for the winches -- with the long wait and how patient we've been -- dealer cost would be nice?? ;-)

I'll have lighting and winch pricing posted early next week. I had to get the 9500 winch w/ synth rope and detached solenoid specially made for us, but Ramsey has agreed to do it. I'm supposed to have pricing on it Monday.

[K6UK]

Here's a photochop for your reference.
Obviously not exact, but gives you an idea on a truck with a lift:

http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/85984348-L.jpg

-Mike

[AlexJet]

Here's a photochop for your reference.
Obviously not exact, but gives you an idea on a truck with a lift:

http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/85984348-L.jpg

-Mike

Wow, Looks great.

[expat]

Hmmmm..looking at the newest photo. I am starting to swing to the single hoop vs the triple hoop....hmmmm.....

Recent photo...

http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/85984348-L.jpg




Early photos...

a few more....



http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb1.jpg


http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb2.jpg


http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb3.jpg


http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb4.jpg


http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/4runner-gen4-fb5.jpg

[expat]

Give me you personal comments/thought/ideas guys. I need to commit to the specifics asap.

The single hoop looks more sporty to me and maybe more suitable for a DD.

The triple hoop offers more protection possibly and I think looks more expedition like. With a roof rack, this is probably a better look.

Thanks for the photo Mike :rockon:

[Mikestang]

Personally I like the 3-hoop set up. More is better, right?

[K6UK]

Here are the two Photochops next to one another:
http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/71883814-L.jpg
http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/85984348-L.jpg

I think the older one I did a bit small - so keep that in mind.
-Mike

[r0cky]

Gee, Mike ... those are so good I think I could've gotten you a job awhile back. ;)

(but I am being serious about those being good.)

[bulldog]

Great chop!!

I'm sticking with the complete hoop version, keeping the headlights protected and looking badass :bigok: The single hoop does look sporty.

[K6UK]

Thanks guys! I appreciate it!


Anyway - on another topic. I have the 1" body lift. I noticed in other posts that there are holes for mounting 1.25 and 1.5 inch body lifts - any chance of adding a hole for us 1" body lift guys?

Just wondering.
Great looking bumper btw.

-Mike

[K6UK]

Okay... well I thought I'd throw one more at you... the new bar with the triple hoops photoshoped onto it.


http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/86211414-M.jpg

Okay... now back to real work.

-Mike

[Joel]

http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/86160675-M.jpg


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[Traveler]

Has anyone measured the angle of approach with the Shrockworks bumper?

[bulldog]

Has anyone measured the angle of approach with the Shrockworks bumper?
We haven't gotten the bumpers in our hands yet. Hopefully we will have it by end August. I expect a much improved approach angle over the stock bumper, I believe everybody installing the bumpers also have bigger tires and a lift as well.

Anyhow, how do you measure the approach angle actually?

[Traveler]

I'm just trying to get a quantitative appreciation of how much it is improved over the stock bumper. Eyeballing it, it looks like it should be light-years ahead of stock -- plus even if you did scrape, the outcome is relatively inconsequential vs the stock bumper which could look pretty bad.

I have no idea how Toyota obtains their published angles of approach and departure. But, if you ask me, the quick and dirty way to do it is with a piece of plywood. Stick it up under the front wheels of a 4R parked on a level surface, and lift it until it hits the bumper. Then find a way to measure the angle.

Of course, most of the time, a great angle of approach is only as good as the angle of departure. Toyota's published numbers for the stock vehicle are AOA: 30 deg, and AOD: 24 deg, suggesting that the rear of the truck is the weak link in the chain. Naturally these numbers would improve with a lift and bigger tires.

[bulldog]

It will be interesting to do. Just need a big piece of plywood to cover the frontal area as a whole. Also with this bumper the angle infront of the tires will be excellent, which is great for wheeling as you can approach an obstacle a little sideways to climb it.

The rear has always been a problem for Toyota SUVs, that is why the FJC is so interesting with its short overhang. There are things that can be done to the rear, but that is a differen discussion for a different thread and day. FOr now lets get the front done, as that is normally the first part that needs improvement.

[Mikestang]

I believe everybody installing the bumpers also have bigger tires and a lift as well.

I won't be lifted, and will only have 265/75's when I install mine.

[K6UK]

Okay... this will be the last one of these, I promise
But, I thought I'd add some driving lights, blackout treatment on the headlights and a rear tire carrier.

http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/86570067-M.jpg


-Mike

[my034runner]

Okay... this will be the last one of these, I promise
But, I thought I'd add some driving lights... and blackout treatment on the headlights.

http://mikemillar.smugmug.com/photos/86546965-M.jpg


-Mike


Hey, I know where that picture was taken!! :wavey: That's on our way to TDS @ Anza Borrego. It @ I-10 and Highway 177 or 171 whatever they call it, I think they call it Desert Center or something like that.
Sorry, off topic.

[K6UK]

Right Indeed!
Sort of a ghost town these days.
Lots of dead and dying palm trees.

One funny thing about the photo - the truck is totally photoshopped, but those palm trees on the right are not at all... and they look so fake!

-Mike