Shrockworks Front Bumper discussion

[ssmathis]

I'd definitely be interested with one that incorporated the fog lights and for those of us with pre-06 models, the turn signals as well. I've had my name on the list for a while on toyota-4runner.org and we're all getting tired of ARB dragging their feet.

Scott

[bulldog]

I would definitely be interested, espeially if they make a winch bumper than incorporated the fog lights and turn signals.

Looks like they make pretty nice stuff. Another thing I noticed is that it seems their bumper doesn't stick out as far as the ARB ones. I also like the integrated tow points on the bumper, something the ABR does not have.

I would like to see the following features on the bumper:
- Winch mount with access to the clutch lever, and solenoid box mount, hawse fairlead, mounting of Warn M8000 or 9.5xp ( this will be the most popular options for winches as most guys will use those winches with syn rope)
- Very secure mounting to the frame, not just the frame end bolts, but also bolts that goes into the side of the frame. This will allow the use of the bumper for winching and recovery.
- Integrated fog lights and singal lights.
- Option of hoops vs no hoops
- Hi-lift mount points on bumper and strong enough mounting on frame to allow the use of the hi-lift on it.
- Bottom skids that will cover the radiator before the point where the stock skids start, also side skids that will cover the washer bottle and protct the airintake from water spalshing during water crossings ( Prados in Australia had the problem with the Toyota bullbar, not the ARB)
- SOme ventilation holes/slots in the front for the A/C, radiator, etc
- Rubber/plastic trim pieces to cover the space between the bumper and lights/fenders, etc.
- Airbag compatible, shouldn't be an issue with the 4R shock sensors.
- Lastly and obviously strong but lightweight as possible.

All I can think of now, but it will be good to put some thought into the requirements of the bumper

[Dealmaker]

what he said... :iagree

I would definitely be interested, espeially if they make a winch bumper than incorporated the fog lights and turn signals.

Looks like they make pretty nice stuff. Another thing I noticed is that it seems their bumper doesn't stick out as far as the ARB ones. I also like the integrated tow points on the bumper, something the ABR does not have.

I would like to see the following features on the bumper:
- Winch mount with access to the clutch lever, and solenoid box mount, hawse fairlead, mounting of Warn M8000 or 9.5xp ( this will be the most popular options for winches as most guys will use those winches with syn rope)
- Very secure mounting to the frame, not just the frame end bolts, but also bolts that goes into the side of the frame. This will allow the use of the bumper for winching and recovery.
- Integrated fog lights and singal lights.
- Option of hoops vs no hoops
- Hi-lift mount points on bumper and strong enough mounting on frame to allow the use of the hi-lift on it.
- Bottom skids that will cover the radiator before the point where the stock skids start, also side skids that will cover the washer bottle and protct the airintake from water spalshing during water crossings ( Prados in Australia had the problem with the Toyota bullbar, not the ARB)
- SOme ventilation holes/slots in the front for the A/C, radiator, etc
- Rubber/plastic trim pieces to cover the space between the bumper and lights/fenders, etc.
- Airbag compatible, shouldn't be an issue with the 4R shock sensors.
- Lastly and obviously strong but lightweight as possible.

All I can think of now, but it will be good to put some thought into the requirements of the bumper

[Dealmaker]

also...if the results turn out good on the final front bumper, odds are about the same # of people would want a good rear bumper solution, too...that may be a further incentive for Shrockworks.

[Dealmaker]

I'm sold. Where do I sign?


BTW, some of those XTerra forum guys have a great sense of humor!!

[expat]

Since this first came up at T4R I have looked at several sites of owners with other trucks. They seem very happy with the product.

I will post later the latest reply I got from ARB but Tim is really saying (in his email to me) that the ARB option is not an option. It seems they just don't get anywhere near enough emails (queries) about 4th Gens. to do anything about a bullbar.

I too vote for shrockworks.

[bulldog]

Robert let us know if you hear anything back from them. I will try to give them a call later this week and see what they have to say.

Everybody please keep in mind to have a bumper fabbed will take some time, they will probably have to do a prototype before they can move forward.

However I must say the more I look at it the more I realize it will most probably be a better option for my purposes, better appraoch angle is one thing I'm interested in. Some of the other things we will probably have to add on our own later, but honestly I'm tired of being stringedalong by ARB. To date they have made zip for the 4R, it was just a question of us having to retrofit Prado stuff and experiment.

[my034runner]

I'm sold. Where do I sign?


BTW, some of those XTerra forum guys have a great sense of humor!!


Did you vote? :D

[my034runner]

Andries, below is Jims reply, and my note back to him (Jims is in bold red):

Hi Jim,
Below, you'll a list os 4th gen 4Runners on toyota-4runner.org, which I belive that I sent you a link to. Also, I've started a new thread on toyota120.com also. There is definately a lot of business out there for you. From our resersh of you thus far, you seem like a well repected company- and although not as big as ARB, at least it looks as if -unlike ARB, you see the opportunity. Here is the link to the new thread that I started about your products: The current list from t4r.org; http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2457#post2457 I'm also going to start this thead on the much much larger Toyota-4runner.org, with 15,668 current members. Then I'll go ahead and start another on on Yotatech.com with it's 12,901 members. And there are a few others with equally impressive member numbers. I think that you'll find that there is more than enough business to keep you busy for years to come. And, it's not just the front bull bar that we're looking for. Another of our needs are new custom skid protection, custom rear bumpers, spare tire carriers, roof racks (I'd like one now) and so on, and so on....... Make sure to go on our http://www.toyota120.com site (actually, to the thead link above) and the t4r.org thread that I sent you yesterday. You're more than welcome to register and post up your thoughts as well.
Thanks for your time.
Robert

It's more then 50 so far:

1. Good Times (Lance) 03 SR5 V8 4x4
2. chiefiji (henry) 04 SR5 V6 4x4
3. On Fly (Juan)03 Sport V8 4x4
4. ssmathis (Scott) 05 Limited V8 4x4
5. Toybox (Joe) 03 Sport V8 4x4
6. kglueck (Kevin) 04 Limited V8 4x4
7. Bobby (Bobby... duh) 04 Sport V8 4x4
8. No-IP.com (Joel) 04 Limited V8 4x4
9. 04Runner (Mark) 04 Sport V8 4x4
10. mshrake (Mike) 04 Limited V8 4x4
11. Solice (Joe) 05 Sport V6 4x4
12. ksneubec (Karl) 04 Sport V6 4x4
13. JWood (Jeff) 04 Limited V8 4x4
14. MAC4Runner (Michael) 04 SR5 V8 4X4
15. bulldog-yota (Andries) 03 LTD V8 4x4
16 Jeremysoca (Jeremy) 05 SE V8 4x4
17. Ele'ele (Clint) 04 Limited V8 4x4
18. Bluto (Brian) 05 SE V8 4X4
19. mochoajr (Marco) 04 SR5 V6 4x4
20. AlexJet (Alex) 05 Limited V6 4x4
21. funk_drum (tommy) 02 Limited 4x4
22. JB. (Jeff) 05 LTD V8 4x4
23. uwf (joseph) 03 V8 SE 4x4
24. rdist (Ray) 05 V6 SE 4x4
25. hre814 (Herman) 04 V8 4x4
26. loner (Brad) 05 V8 SE 4x4
27. Roams001 04 SR5 V8 4x4
28. Kenn (a.k.a. Ken) 05 SR5 V8 4x4
29. PanteraLKN 04 SR5 V8 4x4
30. Spensane (Jeremy) 04 SR5 V6 4X4
31. Tucson T4R (Brad) 04 Sport V8
32. T?@\7 (Ray) 05 SE 4x4 v8
33. Paulnohio (Paul) 06 SE 4X4 v8
34. Gromulus (Vince) 04 V8 Limited 4x4
35. Landon_Toast/THE04Runner (on yt) (Andrew) 04 V6 SR5 4X4
36. gac689 2003 V6 sport 4x4
37. Gwen
38. Surfari (Ray) 03 SportEd. V8 4x4
39. jwyshrek (John) 05 SE 4x4 V8
40. Aztlan (Rogelio) 05 SE 4X4 V6
41. Trd2001 (David) 05 SE V8 4x4
42. dmw331 (dennis) 03 Limited V8 4X4
43. blkss1755 (vinnie) 03 SportEd. V8 4X4
44. GKQ 03 SR5 V6 4X4
45. Rook 05 SE V8
46. K6UK 06 Limited V8 4X4
47. eli 04 sr5 V8 4X4
48. Whoknows (David) 05 Limited V8 4X4
49. kvanderploeg (Kent) 04 Sport V8 4x4
50. jayfredweb (Jason) 05 SR5 V6 4x4
51. My034runner (Robert) '03 V6 4x4


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----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Shrake
To: 'Robert Anderson'
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: Toyota 4Runner bull bar bumpers.


Hi Robert,

I'm interested in this project. I have always intended to make products for Toyota...it's just a matter of finding the time and manpower. One of our new engineers, who would probably lead the design on this, is a Toyota fanatic and has never owned anything else but a Toy 4x4. No time like the present to get started.

We are extremely busy, but if I decide to do this, it will be done right. I need someone to take the lead, collect feedback on what you would like, and see how many people are truly in and ready to plunk down their credit cards. It is pretty common in situations like this for people to say they want something, but balk when it comes to actually paying and doing it.

No one would actually be billed until the prototype was done, approved, and production was ready to start. I'd look at pics of our 2005+ Xterra bumper for a general idea of what to expect looks wise.

http://community.webshots.com/album/496664101xhTenn

Cautionary note....there is no telling what we might find once the stock bumper comes off that could effect how it looks or what it cost to make one. Are the 4th Gen 4Runners unibody or body on frame?

Jim


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Jim Shrake
ShrockWorks - 4x4 Products
www.shrockworks.com
(877) 4-SHROCK (877-474-7625)-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Anderson [mailto:my034runner@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:38 PM
To: info@shrockworks.com
Subject: Toyota

[ssmathis]

That's a good response from them. I'd take Bulldog's list as a start of what we're looking for. Thanks for pursuing this.

Scott

[bulldog]

Great response. Well he will love the fact that the 4R has a nice beefy frame under all the plastic covers. Great time for him to get into the market with this Toyota platform as he will be able to leverage it for the FJC and Taco, but lets not tell him now. We want the 4R bumper first. :D

I still stand by my list of requirements, although some of it we can fit later ourselves. It would just be easier if they can do it, but if it is going to hold back delivery date and drive up price we need to think about it.

[Dealmaker]

my034runner, I did vote! I'm ready to commit via CC. As mentioned by Bulldog, our Runners have an extremely hefty frame.

As for bumper amenities, I'm with Bulldog, though I don't think the guys will have a solution for rubber/plastic trim to fill the gap between the bumper and the light, but I could be wrong.

They sound ready-to-go, and it would be nice to lock them and their new engineer / Toyota fanatic in ASAP.

[my034runner]

Andries, if you get a chance, try and give Jim a call today. I'll be too busy at work to find time to chat with Jim. We're getting a new software system @ Findlay Toyota this week. So, I have to learn that And sell cars. If I have any time, I'll try to reach him, but no guarantee.
:devil:

[Roams001]

Hello toyota120.com! I'm the one who originally contacted Jim Shrake over at T4R. I just thought I join here and also put in my vote for going with Shrockworks! :wavey:

[bulldog]

Andries, if you get a chance, try and give Jim a call today. I'll be too busy at work to find time to chat with Jim. We're getting a new software system @ Findlay Toyota this week. So, I have to learn that And sell cars. If I have any time, I'll try to reach him, but no guarantee.
:devil:
OK, I will give them a call later this week. I will be pretty tied up till end of Wednesday or so. See how much interest they need and the process from their side. I hope they have access to a 4R as they are located in Houston, feel like a roadtrip r0cky?? :D

[Toybox]

I'm in for one for sure. Especially after hearing the Xterra guys.

[my034runner]

I'm in for one for sure. Especially after hearing the Xterra guys.


Did you vote also?

[chiefiji]

voted and watching. thanks for taking the initiative on this effort robert.

[my034runner]

Hello toyota120.com! I'm the one who originally contacted Jim Shrake over at T4R. I just thought I join here and also put in my vote for going with Shrockworks! :wavey:


Hope you don't mind that I brought it over here. I figure that the more forums that we do this on, the better response we'll get. Between you and me and the other fine folks on toyota120, as well as t4r.org, we should be able to make this a reality. I decided last year, when I saw a new '05 Tacoma with a brand new ARB bumper (painted to match) come on my lot, that I wanted to get one. That was just after the new '05's Tacoma's came out, and this darn guy already had one, and here I am, with (at the time) a 2 year old '03 4Runner, and I couldn't find one anywhere. We'll, it's a year later, and still nothing for my034runner!! :pissed1:

Power to the people, power in numbers!!!!!!! :devil: :guns: :guns: :devil:
We'll get someone to make us some stuff yet!!! :devil:

[sibanez]

A few of the Xterra guys I roll with have Shrockworks hardware and it's top notch. Put me in, I will put down a CC anytime.

'03 4Runner.
Camp Hill, Pa.

[Toybox]

Did you vote also?

I did now.

The thing that pisses me off the most about ARB is that they won't just say "yes" or "no". That keep stringing people along with their vague email responses.

Does or will they also make sliders for the 4runner?

[Dealmaker]

What pisses me off is that they already have an ARB bumper on a 4th gen, complete with winch (on the ARB 4Runner). So how much further do they have to go to mass produce it?


I did now.

The thing that pisses me off the most about ARB is that they won't just say "yes" or "no". That keep stringing people along with their vague email responses.

Does or will they also make sliders for the 4runner?

[bulldog]

What pisses me off is that they already have an ARB bumper on a 4th gen, complete with winch (on the ARB 4Runner). So how much further do they have to go to mass produce it?
That was a modified Prado bumper they used for the 4R. Long story short ARB USA needs to go through the ARB corp red tape to get the bumper made, and they have given no date nor conformation if they will actually make it. Basically I'm tired of waiting and I believe a local company can most probably make something more appropiate for our needs. In the US rocks seem much more of an issue than in Oz, so approach angle is mor eimportant to us than them. Protection from animal strikes and te ability to keep going is a big deal in remote Oz area and that probably explains why the ARB sticks out further than we like.

[Roams001]

Hope you don't mind that I brought it over here. I figure that the more forums that we do this on...


Not at all! I'm just glad something might come out of it! I'm not very active on the forums (lurker), so it makes sense that a person who is active with the forums run with it. Count me in for Shrockworks, my CC is ready. :drink:

[bulldog]

Not at all! I'm just glad something might come out of it! I'm not very active on the forums (lurker), so it makes sense that a person who is active with the forums run with it.

Glad you planted the seed.

Count me in for Shrockworks, my CC is ready. :drink:

Cool, please add your name to the list in the required format. Otherwise it will be too hard to keep track of people and numbers, thx.

[bulldog]

Some pics of their new generation bumpers on the Xterra.
http://image53.webshots.com/153/7/56/52/496675652IROCOd_ph.jpg
http://image63.webshots.com/63/3/72/49/2503372490027333187OtRpXo_ph.jpg
http://image63.webshots.com/163/5/26/38/2997526380027333187pKhwkm_ph.jpg

[Dealmaker]

You meant a rear bumper, didn't you??? :P

...They will probably also look into sliders while the 4R is at their shop....

[bulldog]

You meant a rear bumper, didn't you??? :P
We didn't get round to discussing it yet. Will see on the rear bumper. Lets do one thing at a time :P

[my034runner]

Andires,
Thanks for taking the time to speak to Jim, I didn't have the time yesterday to call him. Let's Rock!!!
:devil: :beer: :rockon:

[bulldog]

Andires,
Thanks for taking the time to speak to Jim, I didn't have the time yesterday to call him. Let's Rock!!!
:devil: :beer: :rockon:
No prob. Let's jsut make sure we get our side of the deal sorted out by getting the initial number of people and a 4R in Houston. I cross posted to to t4r and YT, links below.
http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=78850
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16696

I will also attach some of the Xterra pics for those who can't access the webshots site.

[Joel]

I think the bar design is the only thing I'm not in love with..

Maybe something more angry, like:
http://pic7.picturetrail.com/VOL186/1147494/4188929/129203092.jpg

[chiefiji]

i def like the bars a lot more on the 05 xterra than on the prev gen xterras. the main hoop looks thicker and the side hoops match the lines of the 05 better.

[bulldog]

I prefer the mild bar as in the Xterra pics. Joel, you can get the angry edition :D

[Joel]

I might just go topless! :princess:

[Joel]

Anyone else think 20 is a high starting number? Seems like most people will want to see one built and on a 4runner before they are going to be up to purchasing. I mean, how much can it cost to make a prototype? Shouldn't be more than 5k in material and labor.. I believe if it's a good piece in a market w/o competition, they should sell like hot-cakes down the line.. http://www.ttora.com/forum/images/smilies/twocents.gif

[bulldog]

Also, I'd be willing to drop my 4Runner off for a few weeks if needed. I drive from Pa. to Houston every 2 or so months and have an extra car here if need be.

That will be great if you can do that. Let's see how the logistics comes together in this process though.

[bulldog]

Anyone else think 20 is a high starting number? Seems like most people will want to see one built and on a 4runner before they are going to be up to purchasing. I mean, how much can it cost to make a prototype? Shouldn't be more than 5k in material and labor.. I believe if it's a good piece in a market w/o competition, they should sell like hot-cakes down the line.. http://www.ttora.com/forum/images/smilies/twocents.gif
Jim should be able to answer than question. I think it is about prioritizing at his shop. But I agree once people see it on a 4R it will sell very easily and quickly.

[my034runner]

No prob. Let's jsut make sure we get our side of the deal sorted out by getting the initial number of people and a 4R in Houston. I cross posted to to t4r and YT, links below.
http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=78850
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16696

I will also attach some of the Xterra pics for those who can't access the webshots site.



What about Rocky? Isn't he in Texas? I know that Texas is a big state, but I don't remember which part of Texas he's from. Do you have his phone #?
:devil:

[my034runner]

1. bulldog Andries 03 LTD V8 4x4
2. Roams001 Tim 04 SR5 V8 4x4
3. DealMaker Pierre 04 SE V8 4X4
4. ToyBox Joe '03 V8 Sport 4x4
5. my034runner Robert '03 SR5 V6 4x4
6. No-IP.com Joel 04 LTD V8 4x4
7. chiefiji Henry 04 SR5 V6 4X4
8. sibanez, Steven Ibanez 03 V8SR5

Also, I'd be willing to drop my 4Runner off for a few weeks if needed. I drive from Pa. to Houston every 2 or so months and have an extra car here if need be.



Holy crap! That's a lot of driving! How many miles have you racked up so far? :confused:
:devil:

[my034runner]

Lets all welcome Jim from ShrockWorks, he's registered and hopefully enjoying what he's reading! :wavey: :D :wavey:
:devil:

[sibanez]

I have 75k miles right now. Eventually, I will be moving back, but for the next year or so, I'm doing the drive. With a family of four, plus a 80lb lab, it's the only way to go.

BTW, 20 is a pretty low number. A few years back, I contacted a performance shop about designing a CAI for my wife's Protege5. They wanted 250 paid orders before moving forward, and that's just a bent piece of piping.

For a small shop, which they are, there's a lot of investment in producing a completely new product. That 20 has to pay for R&D, but also cover any 'losses' due to the fact that they aren't spending all of their resources producing current products. I'm sure they have all the orders they can handle right now, so it has to be worth it to them.

Lets face it, I'm sure nearly 10x that many people have contact ARB about the 4th generation bumber and they aren't listening. The more companies making money off 4th gen hardware, the better, because it proves there is a market.

[bulldog]

What about Rocky? Isn't he in Texas? I know that Texas is a big state, but I don't remember which part of Texas he's from. Do you have his phone #?
:devil:
SHE is in Dallas, so it is quite a ways away. Lets see how it proceeds. We definitely need some TX folks as well. The big is being to leave it there for a bit.

[my034runner]

SHE is in Dallas, so it is quite a ways away. Lets see how it proceeds. We definitely need some TX folks as well. The big is being to leave it there for a bit.



Rocky's a she?! Didn't see that one coming, and Dallas is a far piece away from Houston. Well, maybe there's a t4r member down there, or a TTORA member? I wonder if there's a Toyota store in Houston willing to take one over? I'll have to checkk the Toyota store directory and see if there's a new car manager wiling to do it. :jester:
:devil:

[r0cky]

Rocky's a she?! Didn't see that one coming, and Dallas is a far piece away from Houston. Well, maybe there's a t4r member down there, or a TTORA member? I wonder if there's a Toyota store in Houston willing to take one over? I'll have to checkk the Toyota store directory and see if there's a new car manager wiling to do it. :jester:
:devil:

Yeah.

I'm definitely in for a bumper too! ... and if there's anything I can do to help (as in taking the truck down there some weekend or something) then I am happy to do that. Just let me know!

I'm in Dallas, yes, but don't mind being a guinea pig ... I'm sure it'd turn out better than certain things in the past ... ;)

[bulldog]

Yeah.

I'm definitely in for a bumper too! ... and if there's anything I can do to help (as in taking the truck down there some weekend or something) then I am happy to do that. Just let me know!

I'm in Dallas, yes, but don't mind being a guinea pig ... I'm sure it'd turn out better than certain things in the past ... ;)
Cool!!

Copy the list and add your name :spank: :rotflmao:

We don't want to read 5000 posts later to see who is in or out. :rotflmao:

[bulldog]

Just as a general reminder to everyone reading, please make sure you review this post (http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2488&postcount=27), as I know lots of people jump in at the end of a thread. The list is not for people looking at a wishlist, but rather those who are geniunely interested and ready to move forward by placing an order when it gets of the ground.

[my034runner]

Hey, this thing looks like it could be catching on! Does this redeem me for the other NE post that I put up? :rolleyes: :rotflmao: :rockon: :rotflmao:
About 12 or so more people, we can get moving. I sure can use a new Steel bumper. :lol: My current plastic bumper is getting beat to hell, tooooo many scratches. :cry:
Do you think that maybe we can somehow do a broadcast e-mail to all members who maybe haven't been on for a while, and let them know what we're trying to do? Just a thought I had, maybe way off base. Who knows? :doh: :jester: :confused1
:devil:

[bulldog]

Hey, this thing looks like it could be catching on! Does this redeem me for the other NE post that I put up? :rolleyes: :rotflmao: :rockon: :rotflmao:
About 12 or so more people, we can get moving. I sure can use a new Steel bumper. :lol: My current plastic bumper is getting beat to hell, tooooo many scratches. :cry:
Do you think that maybe we can somehow do a broadcast e-mail to all members who maybe haven't been on for a while, and let them know what we're trying to do? Just a thought I had, maybe way off base. Who knows? :doh: :jester: :confused1
:devil:
I think 11 needed to start once r0cky adds to the list. No, no and nobody. No it doesn't redeem you :moon: :jester: , no we shouldn't send a broadcast as members wouldn't like to receive spam and nobody knows anything. :jester: :P

On a serious note I don't believe sending email to all memebers for this is the right approach. Members will catch on at their own pace and we shouldn't bombard them with spam emails as it will distract from info in the future. Give people time to work through it. That said if there are people reading this and know of somebody that will definitely be interested which have not responded here yet, please send them a PM.

Now back to the regular programming.

[my034runner]

:iamwithst :lol: :rotflmao: :lol: :rotflmao: :lol: :rotflmao:

[my034runner]

Hey, this thing looks like it could be catching on! Does this redeem me for the other NE post that I put up? :rolleyes: :rotflmao: :rockon: :rotflmao:
About 12 or so more people, we can get moving. I sure can use a new Steel bumper. :lol: My current plastic bumper is getting beat to hell, tooooo many scratches. :cry:
Do you think that maybe we can somehow do a broadcast e-mail to all members who maybe haven't been on for a while, and let them know what we're trying to do? Just a thought I had, maybe way off base. Who knows? :doh: :jester: :confused1
:devil:



:nono: :iagree :nono: :spam: :xnuts: :guns:

[Roams001]

I just thought of something; do we want the test vehicle to not have a BL?

[bulldog]

I just thought of something; do we want the test vehicle to not have a BL?
Very good point. We definitely want it without a BL, but with a way to be change for those that do have a BL. I think the most common one is a Roger Brown BL of 1.5".

[ToyFamily]

I'm the Toy guy at Shrockworks, my name is Nick. I guess I'll show myself and try to absorb as much of what you guys would like as I try to get this together.
Stock would be best, at least body wise. We usually build in options for body lift if it's common for that vehicle for performance. In most cases I personally don't encourage BL but sometimes it's necessary....a suspension lift and some tires would be fine on a mock up vehicle we just need a good body and frame thats not beaten.

I'll post up if I have any Q's

[my034runner]

I'm the Toy guy at Shrockworks, my name is Nick. I guess I'll show myself and try to absorb as much of what you guys would like as I try to get this together.
Stock would be best, at least body wise. We usually build in options for body lift if it's common for that vehicle for performance. In most cases I personally don't encourage BL but sometimes it's necessary....a suspension lift and some tires would be fine on a mock up vehicle we just need a good body and frame that's not beaten.

I'll post up if I have any Q's


Welcome to our forum Nick. We look forward to your ideas. We also look forward to having one of your custom Bull bars on our 4Runners. :bigok: :D

[r0cky]

I'm the Toy guy at Shrockworks, my name is Nick. I guess I'll show myself and try to absorb as much of what you guys would like as I try to get this together.
Stock would be best, at least body wise. We usually build in options for body lift if it's common for that vehicle for performance. In most cases I personally don't encourage BL but sometimes it's necessary....a suspension lift and some tires would be fine on a mock up vehicle we just need a good body and frame thats not beaten.

I'll post up if I have any Q's

Well, a good number of those who would be interested do have body lifts already. So, just a heads up.

[Joel]

Well, a good number of those who would be interested do have body lifts already. So, just a heads up.

2 so far? :P :moon:

[r0cky]

2 so far? :P :moon:

I wasn't referring to the list we have going here, but to those from other forums who would be interested when things are available.

(and by "a good number" I meant enough that it would be worth it to consider)

[ToyFamily]

I'm sure a body lift is gonna be popular but as we get farther down the road I need to figure the most popular upgrade....(ie. 1" BL is pretty standard on Geo Trackers for any serious modification/offroad)

[r0cky]

I'm sure a body lift is gonna be popular but as we get farther down the road I need to figure the most popular upgrade....(ie. 1" BL is pretty standard on Geo Trackers for any serious modification/offroad)

If you all need anything, I'm not too too far away - I'm in Dallas and although I do have a body lift, if there's anything I can do to help, let me know. :)

Can't wait to see what you guys come up with!

[my034runner]

I've got the 1.5" Roger Brown body lift as well.

[Dealmaker]

Welcome Nick :bigok:

Since you wrote that Shrockworks usually builds in a body lift option if it is common for that vehilces performance, perhaps we should discuss/assume the bumper should be designed with the 1.0 - 1.5" body lift option in mind unless it presents problems?

Personally, if the front tire clearance issues are somewhat resolved with a new bumper, I'll seriously consider the RB 1.5" lift combined with a suspension lift if it'll allow me to stick 35" tires w/o any other drama. (No gears yet...I know I know...)

[r0cky]

Welcome Nick :bigok:

Since you wrote that Shrockworks usually builds in a body lift option if it is common for that vehilces performance, perhaps we should discuss/assume the bumper should be designed with the 1.0 - 1.5" body lift option in mind unless it presents problems?

Personally, if the front tire clearance issues are somewhat resolved with a new bumper, I'll seriously consider the RB 1.5" lift combined with a suspension lift if it'll allow me to stick 35" tires w/o any other drama. (No gears yet...I know I know...)

To fit 35s, you will still need to do a lot of chopping - not necessarily on the aftermarket bumper (as I'm not sure of its fit) but on the pinch weld and rear part of the fender/wheel-well. Also, 35s are not ideal considering the other stock components -- if you want to know more, read some of Lance's posts regarding 35s. I ran 35s for awhile and would not do so again unless I was ready for some major overhaul on the stock steering components, etc.

However, the body lift would let you fit 33s / 285s with a bit more comfort during off-roading.

[expat]

Don't want to crowd this thread with "stuff" but I thought it might be interesting to post the latest reply (in the past few days) from Tim Lund at ARB that I think demonstrates the ARB bar is a long way from being a reality. Tim really does seem an upfront good guy. Just being honest I believe.

Mods - if you want me to move this elsewhere, please advise.... otherwise...make what you want of this and let's get on with the Shrockworks proposal :bigok:




Mark,

Here is the official "canned" response:

Thanks for your email.

Unfortunately at this time we do not yet have a bumper for the 2003+ 4Runners. We have built a prototype and have discussed bringing a bumper into production, but unfortunately that is as far as it has gone.

I will log your request into our request database which is used to help decide which products to produce in the future. The more requests we get for any one certain product, the better chance it has to be accepted.

Sorry for the somewhat "canned" response, but with the amount of requests for different new products we receive each day, we need to be able to reply to them and log them into our database in a timely fashion. All requests are taken seriously and I do read each one and log each one by hand.

************************************************** ****


At this time any other response is errant.

We have been researching and prototyping this bar for 2 years now, maybe you saw our prototype bar on our 2005 SEMA vehicle? Unfortunately it has yet to be approved for development and production.

************************************************** ******


My main questions to Tim “What is the real deal?” (about the possibility of a 4th Gen bumper from ARB)

***Has a 4Runner made its way to Oz yet?
***Has development started?
***Is there a date for release?

Tim’s reply

“No, it has not yet been approved for development, so NO to all of the above.

The hardest part about getting a bar made for the 4Runner is that the 4th Gen body style is not available in Australia and it is not cheap to buy one and send it to Aus. This is why we are always asking for requests. If enough people show interest in this bar, we can convince the directors to approve development....we have never got one (4th gen) to send to Aus. (for development)


Sorry if my email sounds negative in the slightest way. If you guys want a 4Runner bar built and are tired of waiting, then email, email, email. I have been very open in offering my email and phone number out to all for this purpose, but I only receive a small amount of requests each month (small compared to some of the other product requests we get). OH and spread the word that if anyone is getting a response for anyone other than me, you
cannot take it as accurate.

We here at the North American Distrib center would love to have a '03+ bar to sell, but we do not and though we are continually asking Aus. for one, they have yet to officially approve development.

Best Regards,

Tim Lund”

[bulldog]

OK lets make this the the discussion thread for the bumper/s. It will make it easier to have 2 threads to read, so we don't have people getting lost on the other thread.

BTW looks like we are doing well.

[ssmathis]

I know I signed up early on the list for the ARB on t4r.org but I just found out we may be moving to Colorado Springs in the next 6 months so all extra cash will have to be saved for now. Otherwise, I'd instantly be on the list.

Scott

[MAC4Runner]

I have my name on the ARB list on TR4.org and would throw down my CC in a heartbeat for the ARB. I'm still straddling the fence on the Shrockworks bumper and am closely following the thread for developments. I hope others understand my reservation and by no means is this a slight against Shrockworks. Their products look first rate, however the solid history of ARB products and thier proximity to my home, both in WA State, make the ARB for me a slam dunk. I'd also like to see a production bumper from Shrockworks in person but that seems unlikely. Unfortunately, as I've been in direct contact with ARB in Renton and am not encouraged, Shrockworks is probably our only option. Decisions, decisions............

Nick - Assuming the group gets the 20 needed to work up the prototype, what are the logistics for the 2nd batch? Will they be a stock item? Fabbed one at a time? Done in batches?

Thanks for your insight -

[Joel]

MAC, I used to feel the same way, however, <rant>now that the ARB 4runner is parading around with parts that aren't and may never be available, I think it is bad business on ARB's part. :guns: Why didn't they just build up a tacoma using parts that they actually sell? This stringing along is also bad business. The responses over the last 2 years have gone from good to maybe back to good, and now to not so good. ARB is a big enough company that they could make it happen whenever they wanted. How could they still need measurements when they have what they call a prototype on the ARB 4Runner? :pissed2: </rant>

[bulldog]

No bumper will be the ideal bumper. However I was very impressed with the new SW bumper on the Xterra. ARB does tend to make good stuff, but they are not always the best stuff for everybody's purposes. I think the ARB have a couple of nice features, like CB antenna and light mounts, nicely integrated foglights etc. However it is missing a very important feature that will be very difficult to fit to the bumper and that is recovery points on the bumper. I don't like how low the factory ones are as it gets messy and uncomfortable to get down there to use them. I also think the approach angle could be better on the ARB as it sticks out a bit too far. Hopefully we can get a lot of these issues addressed when we get a bumper made for our use and purposes.

I fully agree with Joel and to be honest I'm not very happy with ARB at the moment. TO date they have made absolutely nothing for the 4R. The things we have from them was due to reuse of ARB parts from other vehicles. James and I had to work with Slee to get the PRADO lift sorted for the 4R. The lockers are reuse of the std Toy rear end and now the front is mostly due to the Tacoma and Prado. I just have this feeling ARB is not interested in 4R at all. They should have had at least a couple of hunderd request for the front bumper. I understand ARB USA is in atough spot and guys like Tim at ARB is top notch, but it doesn't help us that ARB corp in Oz tie his hands and doesn't care about us. I guess they will sell more LR3 bumpers than 4R bumpers, think not. Now they just released the ARB 4R to rub salt in the wounds. There are 2 types of companies, one that creates and builds a market and one that waits for the market to be there before they jump in. I tend to support the first as they have an active interest in adding value to the market.

Ok maybe I'm just :pissed2: :pissed2: for being put on hold for more than 2 years by ARB on the front bumper and still no definitive answer either way.

[ToyFamily]

Nick - Assuming the group gets the 20 needed to work up the prototype, what are the logistics for the 2nd batch? Will they be a stock item? Fabbed one at a time? Done in batches?

Thanks for your insight -

Once the prototype is done the first group would get done, from then on we make the bumpers to order as we always do....usually, lead time is about 3 weeks...You can choose bare, powdercoat, tube or no tube...

On the turn signal....There are four amber lights in the front of the latest gen 4r two by the headlight and two in the lower bumper, which are corners and turn signals? I might have to run by a dealership to clearify some things...

Nick

[my034runner]

Once the prototype is done the first group would get done, from then on we make the bumpers to order as we always do....usually, lead time is about 3 weeks...You can choose bare, powder coat, tube or no tube...

On the turn signal....There are four amber lights in the front of the latest gen 4r two by the headlight and two in the lower bumper, which are corners and turn signals? I might have to run by a dealership to clarify some things...

Nick

Nick, also don't forget the fog lights that are recessed in the lower portion of the factory bumper, I'd like to make sure that we retain these some how. Also, put me down for no tube. :lol:

[expat]

Once the prototype is done the first group would get done, from then on we make the bumpers to order as we always do....usually, lead time is about 3 weeks...You can choose bare, powdercoat, tube or no tube...

On the turn signal....There are four amber lights in the front of the latest gen 4r two by the headlight and two in the lower bumper, which are corners and turn signals? I might have to run by a dealership to clearify some things...

Nick

The top ambers are the side markers and the lower ambers are the turn signals.

[expat]

Just to live the dream a little...this photo gets my heart thumping...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/X-mas%20gifts/X-Terra.jpg

I wanna hang a big arse chain of my bumper too :cool1:

[ToyFamily]

I think some fog lights are the easy part at this point, I don't know about the stock ones, they are formed to the bumper. I haven't looked at anything in person yet, and we usually have holes for lights on top (Hella,PIAA,etc.) I'm just searching for a good looking signal light/assem that we can put in there that doesn't look odd. I've seached every new toyota car/truck/van to see what might work, if you have any fav's or ideas shoot em this way. :) ...in the older style toys we would drill a hole in the corner light (by the headlight) and add the signal.

[bulldog]

Just to clarify. The 03-05 have the turn signals in the bumper. The 06 have the turn signals in the headlight assembly.

The 03-05 have small projector type fog lights behind the lens asembly, I don't know at this point if they can be removed from the assembly.

To make it easy it wil probably better to just fit aftermarket foglights and turnsignals in the bumper. 06+ guys can just blank the signal. Just my thoughts at this point.

[bulldog]

I wanna hang a big arse chain of my bumper too :cool1:
You wanna go gangsta on the 4R ???? :moon: :moon: :lol: :lol:

[my034runner]

You know, when you look at that Xterra, it looks like those tubes might actually come in handy. You know, for big arse chains and shovels etc... Maybe even a good High Lift mounting point.. :guns: :bounce2:

[Roams001]

A couple more good X pictures with the Shrock bumper and Shrock sliders.

http://home.comcast.net/~mjhott/710sm.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~mjhott/712sm.jpg

[my034runner]

A couple more good X pictures with the Shrock bumper and Shrock sliders.

http://home.comcast.net/~mjhott/710sm.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~mjhott/712sm.jpg


I like it!! Nice approach angle up front, nice mounting points for the aftermarket lights also. I could use this bumper in two weeks. :rotflmao:
But I'll be happy to get it in two months also. :D

[expat]

The approach angle looks killer and the whole unit seems to sit further in than the ARB mock-up. I think this is a way better design than ARB. My only concern really will be over getting enough strength in the mounting design.

[bulldog]

The approach angle looks killer and the whole unit seems to sit further in than the ARB mock-up. I think this is a way better design than ARB. My only concern really will be over getting enough strength in the mounting design.
Agreed. Just using the stub mounts where the stock bumper bolts on will not do it for a winch bumper. I send Jim some pictures of the Prado and 4Runner front bumper mounts from ARB. Both use an additional bracket on each side that bolts on to the side of the framerails as well, drastically increasing the frame mount strength. If I remember I will post up the pics later.

[my034runner]

All in all, I like the design of that last Xterra bumper a lot. Get the frame mounts correct, and we have a winner!!! :D :bigok: :bounce2:
I sure hope that someone from ARB is watching this whole process unfold in front of their eye's, and realize what axxxxxxxs they are for neglecting one of the best vehicles on the planet!! But, none of this means anything if we don't have the initial 20. We're almost there, Come on people!! :guns: :guns:

[ToyFamily]

Believe me we try to go above and beyond beefing up mounting brackets and choosing mounting locations. On that X bumper there are 4 1/2" sized bolting locations and a possible 5th through the rail. We build these the way we'd want them for ourselves.

[bulldog]

Believe me we try to go above and beyond beefing up mounting brackets and choosing mounting locations. On that X bumper there are 4 1/2" sized bolting locations and a possible 5th through the rail. We build these the way we'd want them for ourselves.
Nick, you should have plenty of pics in your invox now with ideas for mounting and bottom "shields" :D

[Asolo]

well, I've been holding out for the ARB for long enough. reading this, seeing the quality of the other bumpers in pics (and the fact that the shrockworks is just down the road in houston from me--i.e. I can pick it all up and not ship it!). I'm sold. I dunno if we're still discussing useful points. I saw one post Andries made that mentioned in passing some of the features I see as really useful. Of those, I really thing the antenna mount locations are pretty important. I probably am a little a-typical when it comes to radios/antennas, but... I'd also want to see a solution that includes (at least) the DRLs as they also function as turn signals...

I'd be more than happy to be a guinea pig if needed and drop off my vehicle in houston. I make the short drive in every couple of months anyways.

(FYI, to make the connection, I'm 'kglueck' on the other forums...dunno why I didn't register as Asolo over at any of those places...just guessed it was too late to change.)

[bulldog]

Sounds great, we know have a few people who can stop by the SW shop in Houston.

I think we will work with Nick in terms of design features as it goes along. He might choose to post here. I think we will need to add a must have, options and nice to haves.

The antenna mounts should not be a big deal at all, as it is only hole that is required in the correct spot. I only use a CB (don't have a space observation station like you :P) and I prefer to use a magnetic mount on the roof.

To me things like the approach angle, winch mount, recovery points are absolute must haves. Other things are less important as they are easier to add later. Hoops as on option I think is pretty much standard for them. But I think Nick should take it and run from here.

[ToyFamily]

If someone could please send me some closer pics of the bumper light assem with some rough measurement ref., maybe removed from bumper to see mounting situation....

thx

Nick

nick@shrockworks.com

[Toybox]

Being that the DRL's are also the turn signals I would say that the bumper would have to incorporate those but I would also REALLY want some kind of fog included if not the original fogs. That and approach angles are tops on my list.

[expat]

If someone could please send me some closer pics of the bumper light assem with some rough measurement ref., maybe removed from bumper to see mounting situation....

thx

Nick

nick@shrockworks.com

Nick - Can send some later today. Can you post up here if you get what you want beforehand.

Thank you

Mark

[bulldog]

Being that the DRL's are also the turn signals I would say that the bumper would have to incorporate those but I would also REALLY want some kind of fog included if not the original fogs. That and approach angles are tops on my list.
Yep the DRL is just the turn signals. I think an aftermarket assembly will work as well for both fogs and turn/DRL. All Toyota did was get a special long life bulb for the turn signals so they an work as DRL as well.

I will try to pull the bulb in a week or so and check. I can take some pics of the OEM assembly as well.

[expat]

So what specific measurements do you need. Sorry I didn't have time to pull the lights out today. Next weekend I should be able to do this if you don't get them from someone else beforehand.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Lights/Frontlights003.jpg

[my034runner]

Keep in mind also, we should also make sure that the air bags will work with this bumper. The dreaded ARB has this very important issue addressed in the Tacoma bumper. Not sure if it's somehow moving the switch or sensors or what. Just a thought!

[bulldog]

Keep in mind also, we should also make sure that the air bags will work with this bumper. The dreaded ARB has this very important issue addressed in the Tacoma bumper. Not sure if it's somehow moving the switch or sensors or what. Just a thought!
To my knowledge the airbag sensors are now accelarometers (sp?) and not crush censors. So the bumper will not influence it's function in a major way. The new ARB Prado/Taco bumpers have no special crumple zones on them as on some of the other models they have. EIther way, any aftermarket bumper you fit will change the calibration of the airbag deployment. This is offset by the additional strength on the front.

[my034runner]

I've posted up this topic on TundraSolutions.com, I hope we get some more people interested.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/4runner/58115-shrockworks-com-vs-arb-bumpers/#post442274

[expat]

Well quite a co-incidence that ARB are finally going to produce a bar for the 4Runner. I don't know...I bet the ARB will take ages to get to the market, will be expensive and will not have the approach angle of the Shrockworks style.

What are you guys thinking?

[Roams001]

My vote is still Shrock. I just hope we can get a few more people convinced. This could be a great opportunity to have front/rear bumpers (tire carrier!), skids, sliders, and who knows what else made by a quality vendor. It's all about options; the more vendors we support, the better variety of products we get.

Given equal quality, I'd do it just not to have what everbody else had. :D

[bulldog]

Yep, very interesting move by ARB. I have emailed Tim Lund at ARB toget it form the horse's mouth. I first want to see production confirmed and also availibility date before I will actually believe it. Overall it will be good for the 4R community if they do.

That said I am still going to pursue the SW option aggresively, as I believe it will suite my needs better. We still need a couple more guys to sign up though. So common lets get it out!!!

I hope the presumed release of the ARB bumper don't freeze the market up, cause that is such an old lame tactic in so many industries (especially high tech where I work). All I have to say to those folks who are holding out, to not do so till ARB can positively confirm the release date of the 4R bumper in the US.

[my034runner]

SCREW ARB, THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE!!! THEY BLEW IT!! :pissed1: :moon: :pissed2:

How dare they pull this sneaky tactic, now that they've seen that there is another quality company out there willing to do what they won't. They thought that they were the only game in town, they were wrong. :xnuts: ShrockWorks has my business!! :iagree :wavey: :bigok: :guns:

[bulldog]

I'm not saying ARB is doing it deliberately, but I'm also saying don't hold your breath for them. I have waited over 2 years for them to do it and as of yet, we still don't have a delivery date from them. I first want to see what the word from ARB directly is, so far I have only seen posts on internet boards. So let just say it its hear say for me. People need to find out for themselves what is the reality, and then decide what they want to do. All I'm saying is given the repsonses and time we have waited so far, I want to see a comitted date for delivery by ARB rather than another we will be building the bumper response.

Now back to topic, we are still short a few people for a starting list. I will call Jim tomorrow and see where we are to get the ball rolling.

[Dealmaker]

Based upon what I've seen (the prototype ARB bumper vs. the Shrockware XTerra bumper), I am still committed to the Shrockware bumper as it appears to be much better suited for my desert/mountain expedition-type wheeling needs (less protruding, better approach, designed with rocks in mind, and not kangaroos).

If ARB is just now getting measurements from the ARB Runner (which reaslly makes no sense to me as I'd think they already would have those measurements,) I can't imagine a product would be available from them inside a year.

[Cruiserhead]

Let's not get too worked up about ARB. They are a quality company and move slow because of distance (ARB HQ in AU) and since their formidable reputation is at stake, will move slowly. Tim Lund has been very, very good with honest communication and championing the forward movement of the 4Runner bullbar within ARB. I think ARB will move forward with all the Toyota suv products.

Shrockworks has the advantage of moving much faster and making a high quality product to customer request so there is a big advantage in that too.
I would say if Shrockworks is willing, and you guys are interested, it would be silly not to move forward with SW. They enjoy a quality reputation and it's another choice for 4R owners in the future. That is always good.

[bulldog]

Let's not get too worked up about ARB. They are a quality company and move slow because of distance (ARB HQ in AU) and since their formidable reputation is at stake, will move slowly. Tim Lund has been very, very good with honest communication and championing the forward movement of the 4Runner bullbar within ARB. I think ARB will move forward with all the Toyota suv products.

Shrockworks has the advantage of moving much faster and making a high quality product to customer request so there is a big advantage in that too.
I would say if Shrockworks is willing, and you guys are interested, it would be silly not to move forward with SW. They enjoy a quality reputation and it's another choice for 4R owners in the future. That is always good.
:iagree I'm waiting to hear from Tim what is going first.

[chiefiji]

Based upon what I've seen (the prototype ARB bumper vs. the Shrockware XTerra bumper), I am still committed to the Shrockware bumper as it appears to be much better suited for my desert/mountain expedition-type wheeling needs (less protruding, better approach, designed with rocks in mind, and not kangaroos).

:iagree and if there are any stray kangaroos that happen to cross my way, i'm sure the sw bumper can handle them :guns:

[expat]

[QUOTE=LIFE_IN_4Lo]Let's not get too worked up about ARB. They are a quality company and move slow because of distance (ARB HQ in AU) and since their formidable reputation is at stake, will move slowly. QUOTE]

Personally I don't think this has much to do with distance. Many businesses react quickly over significant distances without issue. I also don't think that has anything to do with quality of the company and their reputation.

This is simply a numbers game. Even 50 enquiries is a small interest level. (remember: how many will actually end up putting down cash out of the 50 odd on the list from T4R?!) I don't know what their sales figures are, but when I was in Oz, many many people owned 4WD had bullbars. More so than here in the US I believe. The 4th Gen is a new model (relatively) with (apparently) little demand till now for a bullbar for the US market. Its slow because of that alone.

Yes Tim has been honest and open - no question.

Shrockworks looks like they can build a great product.

I just hope we can get enough people together to build the Shrockworks bullbar as I feel the ARB product may be less desirable for many of us and I also feel the ARB product may take quite some time to actually get on the market.

I too am waiting for a reply from Tim. It seems interesting to me that only a week ago in his email to me that things were not looking too rosy for an ARB bullbar, then all of a sudden a test driver makes comment on an open forum :confused1

[my034runner]

SHROCKWORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :devil: :devil: :guns: :iagree :rockon:

[bulldog]

I send Tim an email last Wednesday night, no response yet. I will send an email to ARB customer service and see if anything comes back. I will also try and call tomorrow. I also need to give Jim @ SW a call as well.

[Roams001]

Wonder if we could convince a 3rd party retailer (someone like Slee) to buy 5 Shrockworks bumpers...trying to think outside of the box here. :rotflmao: Should we bump the threads on YT and T4R to bring them to the top?

[bulldog]

A bump might help, thx.

[bulldog]

Ok guys got the word back from Jim at SW and he says it is a go. :bigok: :bigok: :drink:

He is confident as the process moves forward more people will join to fill the initial 20. So please call him to put down an initial order, he will take you details. You will only get charged once the bumpers are ready to ship. First come first serve and I am number one :D So to those of you :sleep: make sure to get onboard or you might miss out on the first batch.

Call them at 877-4-SHROCK (877-474-7625)
More contact info
http://www.shrockworks.com/contact.htm

Also very important will be now to get a 4Runner to their shop for a period of time. The logistics will need to be worked out with Jim. Once they have a 4Runner the process can start, and as previously said current estimate is around 3 months for the first batch (but this is fluid pending challenges they might face in design).

I will update the list to add order placed to it.

Anyhow, the ball is now starting to roll, lets keep the momentum up guys. Tell your friends in Yotaland!!!!

So those of you who can help by dropping off your 4R please let me know, so we can get in contact with Jim. I will shoot out a few PMs as well. Keep in mind that they will need the 4R for a period of time, need to be discussed with Jim.

[Roams001]

On the phone right now with Jim! :bigok:

[Asolo]

ah, so you're why he's callin' me back! :wavey:

[PanteraLKN]

this is so exciting!!!!!!1

[bulldog]

Ok, looks like Asolo (Kevin) and Jim has worked something out in terms of a loaner 4R for development. If something pops up they can let us know, both sibanez and r0cky volnteered as well (thanx guys, much appreciated). They might still have to help out, especially r0cky for a BL 4R test fitment. Looks like Dev work will then start around the week of the 9th (March).

I'm sure Nick and Jim will keep us updated if any issues arise.

So here we go!!! But still let other 4R people know as we want the pipeline to fill up and support a vendor/fabber who stepped up to the plate :bigok: :bigok: So place your order and spread the word, do it in that order you might miss out on the initial batch :D

[Jared]

In regards to turn signals and fog lights:

I have a set of factory fogs and factory turn signals that I was planning on selling at some point. I'm not willing to give them away (I still need to recoup some of the cost of my Demello bumper / aftermarket fogs / winch ). But I'll sell them much cheaper than what the Dealer wants. If Shrockworks needs a set for the build, it would certainly save some cash over buying new ones. I think the Stealer wanted $305 per fog light and like $80 per turn signal, which is total B.S.

I can ship them out a.s.a.p. if someone wants them.

[Joel]

(I still need to recoup some of the cost of my Demello bumper / aftermarket fogs / winch ).

Recoup the cost of upgrades... I had never thought of that! :D :jester:

[expat]

Getting the word out there...linky (http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=147907#post147907)

[Dealmaker]

Expat, what are you thinking colorwise? Will you go with black, or white as your Runner (and mine) are white. I'm not too big on the monochromatic look, but it might actualy look kinda awesome. I was also thinking of grey, and getting some cladding (grey) from an '03 to put on. Decisions decisions decisions....

[bulldog]

Good idea on the color coding. I'm just going black as the sliders are already black, and hopefully onde day the rear bumper will be as well.

White might be an interesting choice on a white rig, but I don't think color coding will work on my Titanium metallic. Too much hassle to touch up.

[bulldog]

Getting the word out there...linky (http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=147907#post147907)
Kewl, it is time that people see what a real bullbar looks like, and the difference between a nudgebar and a bullbar :D

[Joel]

:iagree :cool1: :drink: :)

[the_josh]

Im Interested pending final design, i personally dont like the round bars on the top and i would prefer the bumper without them or the possibilty to remove them

[bulldog]

Im Interested pending final design, i personally dont like the round bars on the top and i would prefer the bumper without them or the possibilty to remove them
Moved post to discussion thread.

The hoops are an extra on the bumpers, so you can order them without and save a few $$$ :D

Check out their site www.shrockworks.com and look under the Xterra bumpers.

[bulldog]

ANother review of the SW Xterra/Frontier bumpers.
http://xterrafirma.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Subjects&file=index&req=viewpage&pageid=33

[Dealmaker]

ya, I've been doing additional poking around, too (googled "shrockworks"). They make armour for Land Rovers, Sami's, Jeeps, too. The 4Runner product will compliment their product line very well. I really liked the rear bumper I saw on a D90 (http://www.d-90.com/prod/shrockworks/rack.html)

[expat]

Expat, what are you thinking colorwise? Will you go with black, or white as your Runner (and mine) are white. I'm not too big on the monochromatic look, but it might actualy look kinda awesome. I was also thinking of grey, and getting some cladding (grey) from an '03 to put on. Decisions decisions decisions....


I've ordered white and I will paint my sliders white too. It might not be overly practial but should look killer. The guys at Shockworks said they only have one white they offer and so we discussed briefy trying to establish how close a match the white will be to the stock Toyota color.

God I can't wait :lol:

[Asolo]

I've ordered white and I will paint my sliders white too. It might not be overly practial but should look killer. The guys at Shockworks said they only have one white they offer and so we discussed briefy trying to establish how close a match the white will be to the stock Toyota color.

God I can't wait :lol:

well, if it helps ya out any, the 4runner that I'm planning on dropping off the week after next is an '04 white... :) Ask 'em to take a look at it while they have it. Personally, I want black. Simple to touch up black and won't show the inevitable nicks/etc as much. 'sides, black on the front of my stormtrooper white 4runner'll be quite menacing, I think.

Kevin

[expat]

well, if it helps ya out any, the 4runner that I'm planning on dropping off the week after next is an '04 white... :) Ask 'em to take a look at it while they have it. Kevin

Excellent. I'll send 'em an email. Thanks for helping out!

[my034runner]

ANother review of the SW Xterra/Frontier bumpers.
http://xterrafirma.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Subjects&file=index&req=viewpage&pageid=33


Man, that's a real nice bumper! :D

[my034runner]

Expat, what are you thinking colorwise? Will you go with black, or white as your Runner (and mine) are white. I'm not too big on the monochromatic look, but it might actualy look kinda awesome. I was also thinking of grey, and getting some cladding (grey) from an '03 to put on. Decisions decisions decisions....


I saw a White '05 Tamoma D-Cab with the ARB painted white to match, it looked cooler than sh**. :jester:

[bulldog]

Man, that's a real nice bumper! :D
Better put your order in, or you might miss out :P :lol:

[Dealmaker]

For conversations sake, I looked at my bumper mounting and this is what I saw...The factory bumper (the real bumper, the metal crossmember) appears to mount to the framehorn end with 4 bolts on each end, three outboard and one inboard. There appears to be one free threaded hole on the outboard side of the frame at each horn. There appears to be another occupied threaded hole, not too sure by what, though, or of it or any of the others are substantial-enough.

The airbag sensors (two that I saw) are not positioned on the bumper itself. There is, however, some kind of plumbing line (metal) that sure seems to stick out prety far in front of the radiator. It looks to be placed like that to avoid proximity to another similar plumbing line, although it seems like it could be relo'ed in quite a bit.

[bulldog]

I send SW some pics of the frame and mounting locations. There are a couple of holes and threaded holes on the side of the frame rails (ideal for mounting a winch bumper). Those 8 studs at the frame ends are good to mount a bumper, but the metal plates they are attached to are just to wimpy for a winch bumper mount.

The lines in front of the radiator are the A/C and the power steering line, the AT cooler line seems to run much lower. I agree those lines can be tucked in a bit if needs be.

[my034runner]

Better put your order in, or you might miss out :P :lol:


Done!!
Talked to Jim today, he's got my credit card and is Excited about this project. I'm so glad that I came across his shop. Now, I know that this redeems me for the NE fiasco!! :guns: :shocked: :lol:

Nice guy on the phone, I think that we'll all be happy with this new bumper!!
:devil:

[bulldog]

Attached some pics of the front bumper area by the fog light, grill and radiator.

[bulldog]

Done!!
Talked to Jim today, he's got my credit card and is Excited about this project. I'm so glad that I came across his shop. Now, I know that this redeems me for the NE fiasco!! :guns: :shocked: :lol:

Nice guy on the phone, I think that we'll all be happy with this new bumper!!
:devil:
Man you are hard to manage :P :jester: :jester:

You have not updated the buying list to state that you have placed your order :nono: :nono: :rolleyes: :spank:

:jester: :jester: :rotflmao: :xnuts:

[shrockworks]

Hi Guys,

I'm excited to get this under way! I have been wanting to start making Toyota products for a long time.

When we begin work, I'll start a new thread, post pics & updates and Nick & I will solicit your feedback.

T-Minus 1.5 weeks till kick off!

Jim

[bulldog]

Sounds great!!! :drink: :drink:

[my034runner]

:rockon: :iagree :bigok: :bounce2:

[bulldog]

:rockon: :iagree :bigok: :bounce2:
You still need to update your name on the list of the ordered thread :P :moon:

[Asolo]

T-Minus 1.5 weeks till kick off!

Jim

:rockon: woo hoo. I'm gettin' pretty excited myself! Props to SW for steppin' up! :bigok:

Kev

[my034runner]

You still need to update your name on the list of the ordered thread :P :moon:



DONE! SORRY I'M SO HARD TO MANAGE! :jester: :wavey: :iamwithst

http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2747#post2747post2747

[bulldog]

Yeah, some people are just hard to manage :lol: :lol:

[r0cky]

i won't be able to afford one for another 4 or 5 months. here's to hoping there will be more than one batch.

[my034runner]

Yeah, some people are just hard to manage :lol: :lol:


Hey, I'm not that hard to manage! :rotflmao: I'm just senile! :jester: :moon: Quit :spank: me up. :cool1:

[bulldog]

i won't be able to afford one for another 4 or 5 months. here's to hoping there will be more than one batch.
I'm sure it will be fine, you can probably go down there and have it matched to your BL too :drink:

[Jared]

Well, I'm really excited for all you guys. I hope it turns out well. Maybe when some of you so. cal'ers get your new bumper we can all go out and slam them on the rocks!


Oh, and that A/C line can be moved quite a bit. Jason (Demello) moved Lance's for his winch, but didn't move mine, because it hasn't gotten in the way (yet).

Jus so you know, when you disconnect your bumper and invariably break all the little plastic clips that hold the front wheel well plastic to the stock bumper, you'll either have to cut out most of the wheel well plastic at the front of the wheel well or reattach it somehow. Reason being, when the air pushes against it at high speeds, it bends like crazy and will rub hard against your tires. I had to cut mine off anyway for the 33's. Be careful on the right side wheel well also, because if you cut too deep (even a razor can cut too deep) you might nick the wiper fluid tank and cut a gash in it (like I did)!

At first I thought I had somehow cut a brake line, but was relieved when it smelled like Windex.

[Dealmaker]

Why not just remove the fender liner completely, cover whatever holes there are, and spray with rubberized undercoating?

...Jus so you know, when you disconnect your bumper and invariably break all the little plastic clips that hold the front wheel well plastic to the stock bumper, you'll either have to cut out most of the wheel well plastic at the front of the wheel well or reattach it somehow. Reason being, when the air pushes against it at high speeds, it bends like crazy and will rub hard against your tires. I had to cut mine off anyway for the 33's. Be careful on the right side wheel well also, because if you cut too deep (even a razor can cut too deep) you might nick the wiper fluid tank and cut a gash in it (like I did)!

At first I thought I had somehow cut a brake line, but was relieved when it smelled like Windex.

[r0cky]

Well, I'm really excited for all you guys. I hope it turns out well. Maybe when some of you so. cal'ers get your new bumper we can all go out and slam them on the rocks!


Oh, and that A/C line can be moved quite a bit. Jason (Demello) moved Lance's for his winch, but didn't move mine, because it hasn't gotten in the way (yet).

Jus so you know, when you disconnect your bumper and invariably break all the little plastic clips that hold the front wheel well plastic to the stock bumper, you'll either have to cut out most of the wheel well plastic at the front of the wheel well or reattach it somehow. Reason being, when the air pushes against it at high speeds, it bends like crazy and will rub hard against your tires. I had to cut mine off anyway for the 33's. Be careful on the right side wheel well also, because if you cut too deep (even a razor can cut too deep) you might nick the wiper fluid tank and cut a gash in it (like I did)!

At first I thought I had somehow cut a brake line, but was relieved when it smelled like Windex.

that's only for people who still have the plastic liner ... ;)

[my034runner]

Right on people!! 11 SW bumpers ordered thus far!! Great follow by everybody, me included. :devil:
Let keep getting the word out. Everybody WILL be jealous of our ShrockWorks bumpers, and wishing that they had one. :lol:
:rockon:

[Jared]

that's only for people who still have the plastic liner ... ;)

Well yeah. Mine is pretty well gone now. I don't know why I just didn't rip it off to begin with, probably just being stubborn.

Other than that 33x12.50's fit just fine, w/ no body lift.

[expat]

Everybody WILL be jealous of our ShrockWorks bumpers, and wishing that they had one. :lol:
:rockon:

I agree. I do hope we get closer to the 20 "desirable number" tho to make this project go for SW guys. I'm sure it will take a lot of work on their part.

One thing in our favor at the moment is that the ARB bar might still be a long way off judging by the lack of "formal announces" from ARB. Still...I have been wrong before.

The one stand out thing about the SW bar will be the approach angle improvement over the ARB (based on current designs). Also the more I look at the ARB bar with the inset sidemarkers and fog lights, the more impractical I think it is. You will get a lot of crud caught up in there and will be a PITA to clean. Also won't be so good for aerodynamics.

[expat]

Andries - can you do a photoshop of the SW bar on a 4Runner?

[bulldog]

Andries - can you do a photoshop of the SW bar on a 4Runner?
My photoshop sucks and James has been tied up with other stuff. I will try and see if I can make something remotely interesting.

[bulldog]

I agree. I do hope we get closer to the 20 "desirable number" tho to make this project go for SW guys. I'm sure it will take a lot of work on their part.



We are pretty much all systems go now Mark. I think more orders will come in during development and especially once we can see the prototype.

Without putting words in his mouth, I think Jim sees the business potential in doing stuff for the 4th gen as it will be a long term growing market. I mean we are barely halfway through the models life cycle and the market is already showing a lot of promise. Compared to the 80s aftermarket who only got in full swing about 6-7 years after the model's life cycle ended. And a great segway for him into Toyotas, which is probably today the second largest offroad market in the US after Jeep.

I strongly believe a lot of aftermarket vendors are completely underestimating the offroad market potential of the 4th Gen. As an example I wonder how many OME kits have now been sold for the 4th gens in less than a year, since it has become availible.

[Joel]

My photoshop sucks and James has been tied up with other stuff. I will try and see if I can make something remotely interesting.

Here is my quick go at it..

[expat]

Here is my quick go at it..

Damn.... That's hot!

Thanks Joel.

[bulldog]

Looks good!!! I really need to dig into photoshop a bit, but I think the lines from the Xterra actaully looks like it might work on the 4R.

[expat]

Joel - I stole your photoshop example for the T4R thread. Hope that's ok.

Mark

[Joel]

I think the lines from the Xterra actaully looks like it might work on the 4R.

:iagree

It may also be nice if we can get some skids into the works. The image I did appears to include a lower skid.

[bulldog]

The 05 Xterra bumper have a skid that cover the space from the bottom lip of the bumper to where the factory skids start. We will also need small protection plates on the side by the wheelwells, especially on the passnger side to protect the washerfluid bottle and the air intake. Some guys in Oz has issues with the sovereign bar as it didn't cover the air intake, and when doing water crossings water found very easy path to the intake. The way it was solved was to add a cover plate infront of the wheel, between the cut off inner fender plastic and the bumper so no water could splash up onto the intake.

[Dealmaker]

Looks good! Personally I hope the final product will turn out just a bit broader to cover the wheels a little more when running the beefy tires.

Here is my quick go at it..

[bulldog]

Ok my Photoshop skills suck :mecry:

Here is my best effort of an action shot with Mark at AB. No white bumper sorry.

http://www.ezdries.net/Vidpics/temp/4RSWchop.jpg

[expat]

Now I KNOW I want white. :eek:

[Joel]

The 05 Xterra bumper have a skid that cover the space from the bottom lip of the bumper to where the factory skids start. We will also need small protection plates on the side by the wheelwells, especially on the passnger side to protect the washerfluid bottle and the air intake. Some guys in Oz has issues with the sovereign bar as it didn't cover the air intake, and when doing water crossings water found very easy path to the intake. The way it was solved was to add a cover plate infront of the wheel, between the cut off inner fender plastic and the bumper so no water could splash up onto the intake.

I was thinking the washer fluid bottole would need to be relocated. It hangs pretty low..

[Joel]

Looks good! Personally I hope the final product will turn out just a bit broader to cover the wheels a little more when running the beefy tires.

Broader height wise? I was thinking it was gonna be pretty nice to be able to put a tire on something without worry of hanging on the bumper! :drink:

[Dealmaker]

I was thinking width-wise and maybe just a small bit taller at the wings so just a bit more of the upper part of the tires were covered. I like the vastly-increased approach angle, but don't want too much tire showing as it starts looking too pre-runnerish. I use mine as a daily driver and for work-related things with clients so I don't want to have too much of a pre-runner appearance.

The proportions that Bulldog did seem closer in line with what I was hoping for. Either way, yeah, I'm sure the new bumper will free us from the front-tires-rubbing dilemma! :drink:

Broader height wise? I was thinking it was gonna be pretty nice to be able to put a tire on something without worry of hanging on the bumper! :drink:

[my034runner]

Joel and Andries, nice work on the photoshop. My photoshop skills are pretty much non existent.
When I looked at the first mock up by Joel, I thought wow, that definitely looks cool. Then on the one Anries did, looked great on the white going through Anza. I can't wait. :guns:
:rockon:

[Asolo]

T-minus 5 days and counting... :D

[bulldog]

Sounds like things will get moving soon now :drink:

[bulldog]

On a side note, this is the official response I just got back from Tim Lund at ARB. So production for the bumper is still not approved and I don't think they are closer than what we have been in some time to actually making this bumper.

"
Andries,



Thanks for your email.



Unfortunately at this time we do not yet have a bumper for the 2003+ 4Runners. We have built a prototype and have discussed bringing a bumper into production and have done a lot of pre-production development on this bar, but unfortunately it has not yet been officially approved for development.



I will log your request into our request database which is used to help decide which products to produce in the future. The more requests we get for any one certain product, the better chance it has to be accepted.



Sorry for the somewhat "canned" response, but with the amount of requests for different new products we receive each day, we need to be able to reply to them and log them into our database in a timely fashion. All requests are taken seriously and I do read each one and log each one by hand.



Best Regards,

Tim Lund
"

[Cruiserhead]

Tim is such a stand-up guy :bigok:

I think you guys have alot of momentum going w/ SW and you definitely have more options/control in the final design.

I used to own a Xterra and I remember when SW was first designing the bullbar for the orig. Xterra. He was very professional and forthcoming throughout the development process.

I think price becomes an issue if you are reaching the $1K stratosphere. If the prices stay in line w/ the 05 Xterra, it sounds like a great addtion. JMHO on price

[bulldog]

Yep, I'm glad I waited for Tim to get back to me. He is always good and very careful in his correspondance not to create expectations. Overall a great guy to talk to. I think he is probably just as frustrated as we are with ARB Corp, but they make he rules.

I all honesty I think the SW bumper will suite most of our needs better than a ARB deluxe bumper, but it is always good to have additional options for folks in the future.

Stil a few days before the process of development on the SW bumper starts :bigok: :bigok: Can't wait to start getting Jim adn Nick's feedback on what they can do for the bumper.

[expat]

Instant wood! :bigok:

[ksneubec]

Hi guys, new to this board, found you through the t4r links about this great new bumper. I definitely want one, my only issue is I may not be able to afford one for a while. Do you think there will be any issues with more being made in the future? Thanks to all who did all the legwork in getting these things made- they are bad ass!

[ToyFamily]

Hi guys, new to this board, found you through the t4r links about this great new bumper. I definitely want one, my only issue is I may not be able to afford one for a while. Do you think there will be any issues with more being made in the future? Thanks to all who did all the legwork in getting these things made- they are bad ass!

We're definately looking into this product to sell more than this batch, you'll be able to get one.

[mshrake]

When will the first pictures be available?

I am very interested, but I cannot commit to the money until I see a picture of the finished product.

Mike

[bulldog]

When will the first pictures be available?

I am very interested, but I cannot commit to the money until I see a picture of the finished product.

Mike
Jim said they will start a new thread once the development starts, they will post some pics there and request some input for the design. They are getting a 4R for development to start next week. Current estimate for time frame for development and production of the first batch will be around 3 months. But they will keep us posted, as it might take longer or shorter pendign issues they might run into. I fully believe we will be very happy with the final product and appreciate SW for taking on this product line, I think it will be great win-win for all involved.

After that they will be build to order with I believe a 3 week turn around time, maybe they will carry a small stock of these bumpers as well, dunno??

[Aztlan]

I want one too, looks sweet. I'll buy as soon as funds permit. Taxes hit me hard this year.

[r0cky]

I want one too, looks sweet. I'll buy as soon as funds permit.

Same here. And also when they can fit with a BL.

[Asolo]

I'm off tomorrow morning to leave them my 4runner. I'm eager to see some of the other projects that they're working on, too!

[expat]

If I check this thread five times a day instead of four, will it happen any faster. :jester:

Yes I am impatient :moon:

[bulldog]

I'm off tomorrow morning to leave them my 4runner. I'm eager to see some of the other projects that they're working on, too!
Kewl!!! :bigok:

Make sure to tell Jim and Nick to start a thread here to update us as it moves along.

[Tucson T4R]

"If I check this thread five times a day instead of four, will it happen any faster.

Yes I am impatient "

:iagree

You mean it doesn't work that way??? I was trying the 8 times per day system. :jester:

[Asolo]

welp, dropped off my 4runner at Shrockworks today. lemme tell ya. That xterra bumper looks nice in the pictures. it looks even BETTER in person. makes me almost want to buy an xterra...but it's not a toyota, so... They were working on some belly skids on the xterra that looked very nice. I was very impressed with their craftmanship and the down to earth personalities of everyone I met. They definitely care about their products. I think we hit jackpot on a good company...I'm even more excited (if that's possible) about getting this started. of course, now I'm starting to think I'll move forward with some of the other mods that need to be done sooner rather than later. :guns: There goes the next 6 months+ of "play" money... :pissed2: :cool1:

[bulldog]

Hehehehehe know what you mean. 4wheeling is like a drug addiction, once you start you can't stop adn you need a better fix every time :D

Would be nice if the can make skid plates and a rear bumper at the same time, but I guess we will have to take one step at a time.

[Jared]

welp, dropped off my 4runner at Shrockworks today. lemme tell ya. That xterra bumper looks nice in the pictures. it looks even BETTER in person. makes me almost want to buy an xterra...but it's not a toyota, so... They were working on some belly skids on the xterra that looked very nice. I was very impressed with their craftmanship and the down to earth personalities of everyone I met. They definitely care about their products. I think we hit jackpot on a good company...I'm even more excited (if that's possible) about getting this started. of course, now I'm starting to think I'll move forward with some of the other mods that need to be done sooner rather than later. :guns: There goes the next 6 months+ of "play" money... :pissed2: :cool1:


Offroading mods are a slippery slope once you get started. I promised the wife that after the front/rear suspension mods and the front bumper, that I'd cool it for a bit, and lemme tell you, if I didn't make that promise, I would have distroyed my checking account by now.

[Dealmaker]

Well, there is no time like the present to at least take the additional measurementds and put them into a CAD system while they have use of a 4Runner.

Reminds me of the theme of the movie Field of Dreams..."If You Build It They Will Come"...

...Would be nice if the can make skid plates and a rear bumper at the same time, but I guess we will have to take one step at a time.

[Joel]

Andries, what are the vital differences between the different models as far as skids go? Does there really need to be 3 versions to cover us all?

[bulldog]

Andries, what are the vital differences between the different models as far as skids go? Does there really need to be 3 versions to cover us all?
From my initial measurements I took and when I looked at it, we need 2 models of skid plates to cover the tranny and transfer case area. One for VVTi and one for non VVTi engines. Did seem to matter if it was 4spd or 5spd V6 or V8 VVTi. The crossmember below the transmission seem to be slightly forward and the exhaust routing is behind it on the VVTi engines, while non VVTis are slightly different.

THe engine and gas tank is the same for all models.

[Roams001]

Shrock skids for the 2nd Gen X...nice!

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/05x-skids-01.jpg

[bulldog]

Shrock skids for the 2nd Gen X...nice!

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/05x-skids-01.jpg
Nice!!!! A bit more protection for the lower A-Arm mounts might be good.

[Joel]

Shrock skids for the 2nd Gen X...nice!

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/05x-skids-01.jpg

*drools* :drink:

[Dealmaker]

Oh My GOD that is NICE!!! I really really hope Shrockworks also measures out for skids while they have the Runner. Perhaps a call/e-mail to them is in order just to plant a little bug in their ear? :drink:

[Joel]

From what I can tell it's going to require an additional cross member. (bolt in I assume).

Also, it looks like Lance is planning on building some and budbuilt should be getting around to some soon. Though niether will be as extensive as that photo above.

What are we looking at here, adding 200lbs for bumper and skids? 300?

[Dealmaker]

yeah, maybe...but that'll give me motivation to offset alot of those lbs. by going on a diet :jester: :drink:

...What are we looking at here, adding 200lbs for bumper and skids? 300?

[ksneubec]

I talked to Bud from budbuilt about a month ago and he said he should be starting something for the 4th gen. right about this time of the year or so. I bug him once a month, just to see what's going on. :)

[bulldog]

I think an extra 300-400lb is probably a good estimate for adding a front bumper, sliders, full skids as shown above and a rear bumper with swingout tire carrier. Keep in mind that the stock stuff gets taken off, stock skids, bumpers, running boards. Reason why suspension upgrades is a good thing :D

First things first though, lets get the bumper out. But getting ready for skids and rear bumper would be a good thing :bigok:

[Dealmaker]

Did you guys see that Lance put the '06 headlight assembly in his Runner to avoid the foglight/turn signal issue with his new bumper? Could be food for thought if the turn signals/fogs prove to be an issue.
http://www.chaosedition.com/modifications-electrical.asp

[bulldog]

Looks good, but is probably a very expensive solution. I think the old headlight assemblies (03-05) were like $200 a piece, so the new projector ones will probably be more expensive.

[ToyFamily]

Shrock skids for the 2nd Gen X...nice!

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/05x-skids-01.jpg

those bolt on in using all stock bolt locations......you only have to drill 2 - 3/8" holes for the front skid on the front x-member for additional strength.

P.S. I haven't even seen those pics yet, just in my head, then in person and on the Solidworks. Jim just took them 2 days ago.

Nick

[Dealmaker]

Ya, but there might be some cost offset depending on how much light insert work would be reduced on the bumpers? And possibly cleaner lines? Dunno...??

Looks good, but is probably a very expensive solution. I think the old headlight assemblies (03-05) were like $200 a piece, so the new projector ones will probably be more expensive.

[my034runner]

Shrock skids for the 2nd Gen X...nice!

http://www.shrockworks.com/Forum_Images/05x-skids-01.jpg


Oh YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me likey those skids!!!! :shocked: :iagree :bounce2:

Sorry guys, I haven't been very active since getting back from trip. I'll post more on trip reports, as soon as I can get my stupid pictures to load up.

[Roams001]

Another 2nd Gen X pic.

http://jbeamphotos.com/albums/Bidwell_03-12-06/Bidwell_20060313_089.sized.jpg

[bulldog]

Another 2nd Gen X pic.

http://jbeamphotos.com/albums/Bidwell_03-12-06/Bidwell_20060313_089.sized.jpg


NNIIIICEEEEE!!!!

[expat]

I'd like to flag to Shrockworks the issue of powder coating.

Having powder coated my sliders in white (color matched to truck) I have come to the conclusion I want my front bar to be the same color as the truck.

Can Shrockworks arrange for the powder coating to be an exact match of the Toyota color? (white in my case)

I had to choose from nine different shades of white for my sliders. I got close but not exact. I'm not too worried about the sliders being an exact match as I will need to touch it up regularly anyhow, but the bullbar is a much larger item and like all ARB products I have seen in the past, they ensure a very good match.

I assume SW has business with powder coaters in their area so can you guys investigate this?

PS - I am not really interested in getting the bullbar powder coated by myself after delivery as the inconvenience of carrying the thing around and loading and unloading is a bit painful.

Thanks
Mark

[expat]

Another thing I'd like to open discussion to is fitting the bar. As we have several people in the SoCal area who are ordering the bar, would it make sense to have them delivered to one location and we do a wrench a thon?

Just putting up the idea.

I am happy to make the delivery location and wrench-a-thon my place if people are interested. I believe I have all the necessary air tools...

Cheers
Mark

PS - yes I guess I am getting ahead of the game but I am damn excited about this project and its a cold night in my garage so I gave up early on tinkering for some sustainance :drink:

[bulldog]

Good idea, maybe do the wrenching oneday and hit some closeby trails the next???

I will probably have to fit mine before then anyhow. Anybody up in Norcal??

[ksneubec]

As if needed a reason to get the shrockworks bumper:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6241/dsc02152small1aw.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7476/dsc02153small1rl.jpg

[chiefiji]

wow, how did that happen? i guess a brush guard is good for something ie holding up the bumper with a zip tie, nice! :D