Shrockworks 4runner Front Bumper

[ToyFamily]

This will be the development and update thread for the new 4runner front bumper.

First question....For those of you who have or will install a BL what size is the most common upgrade. Right now I have seen 1 1/4" and 1 1/2".

As of now I'm trying to incorporate the 1 1/4" into the design so that it would be possible to use the bumper and same bracketry in all three cases. Objections???Commments???

Nick

[bulldog]

I think it makes a lot of sense. I might add a bodylift way in the future if I have tire clearance issues, and if it is simple to change on the bumper it would be great. People with bodylifts should chime in, but for me the less the better. WIll a 1/4" show that much if the bumper is set at 1 1/4 and the BL is 1 1/2?

[ToyFamily]

Personally I don't like BL's either but sometimes they might be preferred or necessary. On the 1/4" gap, I think I just solved it since I last posted...If all works out, the change from std. to BL would be as easy as unbolting and bolting the bumper back on.

I'd still Like responses though
Nick

[Joel]

I don't plan on body lifting, but the option would be nice I guess. Seems like a good idea to make one design that will suit everyone's needs.

[expat]

I don't plan on body lifting, but the option would be nice I guess. Seems like a good idea to make one design that will suit everyone's needs.

:iagree

Cheers
Mark

[chiefiji]

i'm probably stating the obvious, but i think a design to incorporate all three cases is a good idea as long as there are no negative tradeoffs/comprimises for doing so.

[Asolo]

a BL is not something that I'm planning, but I agree w/ the others that if it the option could be built in w/o many trade-offs, I'm for it.

[Joel]

i'm probably stating the obvious, but i think a design to incorporate all three cases is a good idea as long as there are no negative tradeoffs/comprimises for doing so.

Seems like the 1/4" difference between 1.25 and 1.5 is too close to have holes for both. Thats what I'm assuming anyway.

[expat]

Is it possible to have some elongated holes that allow for movement of the bar upwards/downwards if a bodylift is fitted? I imagine this might be a problem with the bar moving along the elongated holes under weight of a high lift or when perched on a rock. Just trying to think alternatives.

Could the elongated hole have a "blank spacer" inserted where there is no bolt to prevent movement of the bar along the elongated hole?

Sorry...I'll shut up now! :rolleyes:

[my034runner]

I've already bought the Roger Brown b/l = 1.5". We just haven't had time to get it on as of yet. Also, though, since adding the Hoe's up front, tire rubbing has been greatly reduced. Not sure if or when we'll put the b/l on. Will the set up be accommodating, without sacrificing strength at critical mount points, to being adjusted should I go ahead and put on the b/l at a later time? :confused:

[my034runner]

Another thing, I think that you've found a way to accommodate the fog light/turn signal assembly, correct? Seeing that on the '03, they are located together, it seems necessary. Would hate losing the turn signals for sure, and I've grown kind of fond of the fog lamps.

[ToyFamily]

the design (if all works out on after we fit it) has the adjustability for BL.....up to 1.5"

Haven't gotten to the design of the lights on the bumper.We're try in to put in turns and fogs. I have only researched alternatives before we got the runner here.

Nick

[my034runner]

the design (if all works out on after we fit it) has the adjustability for BL.....up to 1.5"

Haven't gotten to the design of the lights on the bumper.We're try in to put in turns and fogs. I have only researched alternatives before we got the runner here.

Nick


Thanks Nick, keep us updated on the lights portion, as they are important. And on the adjustability up to 1.5" b/l, is there any strength concerns, as to the mounting w/ adjust vs no adjust and winching/strapping/high lift applications?

[ToyFamily]

We more than anyone want it to be strong in both applications. Also don't forget the whole thing will be 3/16" thick. If we don't think we'd winch our truck into a tree off it we won't be putting it out.

Nick

[my034runner]

We more than anyone want it to be strong in both applications. Also don't forget the whole thing will be 3/16" thick. If we don't think we'd winch our truck into a tree off it we won't be putting it out.

Nick


Cool!! ;) :iagree

[ToyFamily]

Preference Q:

If I could incorporate a stock toyota driving light, would you prefer this (i.e. 05 tacoma, or Matrix)???? The 4runner assem won't look good with what we're doing but don't freak out we're doing a signal too.. :eek: :)

OR

Prefer the bumper to be built toward a PIAA or HELLA light (if so which)???... as you'd rather upgrade with the bumper.


The hole size would be the same the mounting would be the diff.



Nick

[Joel]

I'm gonna have to say upgrade, and probably PIAA.

[Asolo]

while I like the look of the stock toyota such as the taco, going genuine toyota would be $$ for what you get...I do like the look of the xterra's fogs in there. But in the end, I think I'd have to go for the upgrade. as for which brand, others might have better ideas than I.

[ToyFamily]

Thinking about it, if you had to buy a pair a stock toy lights you'll be running about the same cost. the ones we're looking at are $210

Don't forget the hole size is about the same as I think they are the same sized lights.....but we'll have a surprise. (as if you guys aren't dying yet)

Nick

[Asolo]

*salivating as the carrot is dangled in front* :cool1:

[Dealmaker]

I figured the Runner asembly would be an issue due to its curvature. As an FYI, and you probably are aware of this by now, the turn signals also act a Daytime Running Lights as well. Will that feature remain? Also, as for the turn signal/fogs, I don't have much preference and would follow what the other more astute members would prefer.

And in a worse case scenario, the '05+ headlight assembly incorporates the turn signals into it, but are somewhat pricey. Not sure if you saw that in the other thread.

Preference Q:

If I could incorporate a stock toyota driving light, would you prefer this (i.e. 05 tacoma, or Matrix)???? The 4runner assem won't look good with what we're doing but don't freak out we're doing a signal too.. :eek: :)

OR

Prefer the bumper to be built toward a PIAA or HELLA light (if so which)???... as you'd rather upgrade with the bumper.


The hole size would be the same the mounting would be the diff.



Nick

[expat]

Sorry for my ignorance... maybe a language difference between my home and the US....

When you are talking about needing a different driving light, are you talking about the main lights (large) or the fog lights (small)?

[ToyFamily]

Sorry for my ignorance... maybe a language difference between my home and the US....

When you are talking about needing a different driving light, are you talking about the main lights (large) or the fog lights (small)?


the lights circled are what we are talking about...you will have the option of getting a "driving" or "fog" light.


I did see the 06 headlight upgrade for the signal and think it's really clean, however in the production setting we can't force the customer to go do that. Relocating the signal in that way is what I've done in that past on when building custom bumpers.

BTW whoever chopped the pic I commend you, it is being used.
Nick

[bulldog]

I would prefer aftermarket foglights and turn signals as it will probably make it a lot easier, cheaper and better in the long run.

I will check on the DRL, but I believe it is just the signal lights that stay on and Toyota uses a special bulb (same fitting and size as normal just longer life).

An idea might be also to have blanks for people who do not want to fit a fog lights and supply the lights as an extra. This way the bumper can very economical in base format and features can be added at the relevant price for it.

Yeah Joel seems to be good at photoshop.

[ToyFamily]

Ok I think we'll give ya a look at the styling...

[Joel]

:cool1: :bigok: :drink:

Love it! Are the 'bling' holes going to be dimpled?

[05sport4x4]

That's going to be a good looking bumper :cool1:

[ToyFamily]

I don't think so...we're thinking 1/4" thick alum or some 3/16" SS...if you can find or make the tooling to do it I think it'd be cool for sure.

[expat]

Instant wood!

This is going to be great.

More aggressive than ARB without losing out to a prerunner styling.

Perfect!

[chiefiji]

is the smaller of the two circles on the top of the bumper going to be used for turn signals?

lookin good so far!

[ToyFamily]

yes, large is fog/driving small is turn

[Joel]

I don't think so...we're thinking 1/4" thick alum or some 3/16" SS...if you can find or make the tooling to do it I think it'd be cool for sure.

http://www.lightracing.com/lightracingToolsIntro.html

[ToyFamily]

good find that'll be going in my personal Favorites....I'll see what jim says.

EDIT: We spoke of it and there is no strength advantage to flaring those holes, especially in the thickness we are using and the weight savings and look is already there with the holes. The skid is also side broke for strength. The plates would need to be reduced in thickness by 1/2 in order to do that, as those dies have a .120" cap.


Nick

[Asolo]

Ok I think we'll give ya a look at the styling...

man, I *like* that....that's gonna be really nice!

[Dealmaker]

Will there be adjustment features and/or offset mounts for (directing) the lights to account for the side-to-side angle of the bumper?

yes, large is fog/driving small is turn

[bulldog]

Styling looks great. Good lines and functional.

Would it make sense to have the skid plate be more square to cover the bottom area? This might also make it easier if (preferably) side skids are required for the water bottle and air intake for the engine.

[ToyFamily]

The frame crossmember at the bottom steps down on the outer edges and there are stock tow "hoops" welded to the bottom...So unless we made everyone cut those off, the skid would either kill approach or get complicated for a simple piece.
That one on there covers the entire rad.. I was going to wait to look at side skirts until I see how this fits up and where things are at and what is and isn't covered. That washer bottle is really low.

also there are brackets in the vacinity so it'll be very hard to get anything in there to do damage but we'll see when the proto is here.


Nick

[my034runner]

SWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!!! :rockon: :shocked: :bigok: :cool1: :rotflmao:

[bulldog]

The frame crossmember at the bottom steps down on the outer edges and there are stock tow "hoops" welded to the bottom...So unless we made everyone cut those off, the skid would either kill approach or get complicated for a simple piece.
That one on there covers the entire rad.. I was going to wait to look at side skirts until I see how this fits up and where things are at and what is and isn't covered. That washer bottle is really low.

also there are brackets in the vacinity so it'll be very hard to get anything in there to do damage but we'll see when the proto is here.


Nick
Oh cool, makes a lot of sense. Keep up the good work. :bigok:

[Dealmaker]

Nick, personally I'm not opposed to cutting off those little puny tow/tiedown "hoops" myself if it has a meaningful gain, as I believe the new bumper has shackle hangers. Don't know how the other guys feel, though, or if that is a viable alternative?

[ToyFamily]

I know, and I too personally would take them off if it were my own, but oddly enough not everyone has metal cutting tools :D and we have to work around what's there so this isn't too hard to put on yourself, no matter who you are. But this bumper does have 2 - 1/2" thick tow tabs....so cut away :D

[MAC4Runner]

Ok I think we'll give ya a look at the styling...

:rockon: This bumper is shaping up beautifully. I can feel myself slipping off the fence.............

[bulldog]

Nick, personally I'm not opposed to cutting off those little puny tow/tiedown "hoops" myself if it has a meaningful gain, as I believe the new bumper has shackle hangers. Don't know how the other guys feel, though, or if that is a viable alternative?
Agreed, I'm going to hack my tabs off when I get my new bumper since I will have better recovery points on the bumper to use then.

Nick is correct though in making it a bolt on application, as some customers might not want to hack pieces off as they might have to use it for shipping the 4R, etc.

[PanteraLKN]

looking good!!!!! i can't wait

[expat]

I haven't looked but if the water bottle becomes a problem I's sure there would be somewhere else for it. I too would not be adverse to removing the stock tow hooks but this might affect sales if it HAD to be done.???

The least amount of modifiying a stock setup would encourage greater sales possibility. The more things you put in front of a potential buyer that needs modifying, the greater the difficulty the sale will be.

[ksneubec]

I've joined the ranks and ordered one too. I think I spoke to Jim- in any case he was very helpful, answering all of my questions. Would anyone want to see mounting for a CB antenna on the bumper?

[r0cky]

Well guys, this is so exciting! Can't wait to see the progress.

Saving up my $$ for the second batch. :)

[Asolo]

I've joined the ranks and ordered one too. I think I spoke to Jim- in any case he was very helpful, answering all of my questions. Would anyone want to see mounting for a CB antenna on the bumper?

have no fear, karl...That's a major feature I'm interested in. antenna mounts. :)

Kev

(P.S. glad to see you join the ranks of "ORDER PLACED") :wavey:

[expat]

Would anyone want to see mounting for a CB antenna on the bumper?

Yeah, I too want that mount but not for my cb - my dune flag! My magnetic mount cb rocks.

Actually I want two cb mounts (one on either side) - one for the Ham radio and one for the dune flag. :)

[bulldog]

Antenna mounts will be cool, but I think a drill will sort it out easy enough :)

I would lie to get a ham radio as well at some point, but given the time it took me to get a proper CB installation I wont hold my own breath :rotflmao:

[expat]

Antenna mounts will be cool, but I think a drill will sort it out easy enough

Two methods for mounting antenna

1. Drill a hole into the frame

2. Weld a tab on the top hoop (s)

[PanteraLKN]

any updates?

[ksneubec]

Once this is all said and done a little help in how to remove the factory front bumper would be helpful, especially for those who don't live in Cali and can't make any wrench-a-thons :)

[bulldog]

Good idea on some pointers on the factory bumper removal. Will see what can be done about it. I will probably just follow the repair munaul instructions.

On another topic any updates on progress will be good :D

[Dealmaker]

Was there any discussion about a Hi-Lift jackpoint(s) on the new bumper?

[ToyFamily]

those large squarish holes in the mid front are air/winch access/hilift points....first drawing is done.....waiting.

BTW : I used the service manual for an idea of where the fasteners where so I didn't break anything but if you look around and tug lightly you can see where the bumper is fastened....I'll try to include that stuff in the directions.

Nick

[Jared]

Removing the stock bumper is pretty easy. I didn't look at the manual, and I did what ToyFamily did, just tug and find the resistance and then unbolt. It didn't take much time at all.

[expat]

Can we use these as our turn signal lights. I saw them on Bruce's TJM bar at DV and they look killer

Led arrow turning lights (http://www.vehiclelight.com/9556.html)

Here's Bruce's thread about the install (http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=81594)

[Roams001]

If we are given a choice I'd personally prefer not to have those turn-signals on mine. No offense intended, they just strike a...school bus vibe to me. I'm not sure why, but they do.

I'd prefer something along the lines of the 1st drawing we saw - with the 4 round hole design.

If Shrock offers turn-signal options then we can all have what we want. :)

[ToyFamily]

on the original drawing the smaller outside holes are LED turn signals, we're working on making them incl......I think having the round fog hole and the oval lights on the outside would look odd.. I started that way and decided against, and went the round way to what was shown.

edit: I just tried a rough sketch and it really looked bad, I could make it fit a little better but as soon as I changed it back to the double holes I personally thought it wouldn't fit as well. We'll all have to wait and see when the prototype gets here and go from there, real pics will help us all.

nick

[Tucson T4R]

:iagree

I like the idea of the two round lights as currently designed. Sticking to the Toyota lights if possible. Looking forward to seeing how the front splash/skid works out with this new bumber. My 4Runner is begging to have this installed!

:doh:

[Tucson T4R]

Nick, you mentioned "when the prototype gets here". When do you expect the prototype to arrive? Thanks (I'm not anxious or anything ) :D

[Dealmaker]

also the arrow indicators would not be functional as the DRL's, either.

......I think having the round fog hole and the oval lights on the outside would look odd.. I started that way and decided against, and went the round way to what was shown....

nick

[K6UK]

Hey Everyone,

The bumper looks great, I may be a convert!

A note on ground-planes:

Proper grounding of the bumper will be vital to your radio system.
The electrical connection between the bumper and the frame must be solid.
If the mounting points are painted, and the bumper is just bolted to the frame, often the bumper is somewhat isolated from vehicle ground. The solution to this is to insure proper ground with braided copper grounding strap running to the frame. Also, if the bumper has multiple parts or panels that are not welded together, but attached with screws - then these parts should be bonded with copper braid.

This will give you much better performance whether your antenna is on your bumper or not. Remember the ground is 50% of your antenna system.

While I'm at it, I should mention that properly grounding doors, hood, etc using braid will further enhance performance, and may, reduce noise you pick up. This may be a littel "Over the top" for CB use, but for HF Ham radio it's a must.

So ground those bumpers!

-Mike

[my034runner]

on the original drawing the smaller outside holes are LED turn signals, we're working on making them incl......I think having the round fog hole and the oval lights on the outside would look odd.. I started that way and decided against, and went the round way to what was shown.

edit: I just tried a rough sketch and it really looked bad, I could make it fit a little better but as soon as I changed it back to the double holes I personally thought it wouldn't fit as well. We'll all have to wait and see when the prototype gets here and go from there, real pics will help us all.

nick


There's got to be something that could be done to add some type of fog lights and turn signals together. Is there any other light design combo on another type of vehicle that would be able to work in there? I don't know, just asking.

[Dealmaker]

I think what ToyFamily means is that the uniformity of having both light holes the same shape is more asthetically pleasing than having them be different shapes, which I would agree.

[ToyFamily]

There's got to be something that could be done to add some type of fog lights and turn signals together. Is there any other light design combo on another type of vehicle that would be able to work in there? I don't know, just asking.

I've looked. I checked out EVERY toyota vehicle, and started branching out....the closest thing I could find is snow plow lights ( they mount them above the blade) and there is only one some what streamlined set and it memory serves it was around $400 but the killer was it was around 6"x9" which is bigger than the face it would mount on. If I had made it fit, it would weaken the bumper having a 6"x9" hole on the main face going out to the wings.

I found some new driving/fog with the turn incl. but it didn't work out either.

We're trying to get some quality fog or driving opt. and some signals in a good looking package. We'll go with what works/looks best, I don't want to make an ugly bumper.


Nick

[my034runner]

I've looked. I checked out EVERY Toyota vehicle, and started branching out....the closest thing I could find is snow plow lights ( they mount them above the blade) and there is only one some what streamlined set and it memory serves it was around $400 but the killer was it was around 6"x9" which is bigger than the face it would mount on. If I had made it fit, it would weaken the bumper having a 6"x9" hole on the main face going out to the wings.

I found some new driving/fog with the turn incl. but it didn't work out either.

We're trying to get some quality fog or driving opt. and some signals in a good looking package. We'll go with what works/looks best, I don't want to make an ugly bumper.


Nick


Cool, thanks. :cool1:

[Asolo]

A note on ground-planes:

Proper grounding of the bumper will be vital to your radio system.

(snip)

So ground those bumpers!

-Mike

most excellent points. I sometimes forget to point out the obvious. grounding is quite important. I'd already assumed I'd be using grounding straps on mine...can't hurt anyways. :cool1:

[expat]

Ok..I'm sure I'll get canned for this too but why bother with the driving lights in the bumper? I'm sure most people will option for some "off-road" lights that mount on top of the bumper. Maybe I'm wrong but if your bothering to buy a bullbar/winch etc your likely to want to have some pretty impressive offroad lights for night time driving.

I never use my fog lights for anything purposeful other than to turn the DRL's off. I can't stand the DRL's. To me they distract from the clean lines of the front end.

[expat]

I'd also like to add this to the discussion as it didn't get answered in the other thread......

I'd like to flag to Shrockworks the issue of powder coating.

Having powder coated my sliders in white (color matched to truck) I have come to the conclusion I want my front bar to be the same color as the truck.

Can Shrockworks arrange for the powder coating to be an exact match of the Toyota color? (white in my case)

I had to choose from nine different shades of white for my sliders. I got close but not exact. I'm not too worried about the sliders being an exact match as I will need to touch it up regularly anyhow, but the bullbar is a much larger item and like all ARB products I have seen in the past, they ensure a very good match.

I assume SW has business with powder coaters in their area so can you guys investigate this?

PS - I am not really interested in getting the bullbar powder coated by myself after delivery as the inconvenience of carrying the thing around and loading and unloading is a bit painful.

Thanks
Mark

[ksneubec]

Ok..I'm sure I'll get canned for this too but why bother with the driving lights in the bumper?

My understanding is Shrockworks won't be mounting a specific light, they will just leave the opening for us. That way, if we don't want a light, we don't get one, and we leave the cutout in the bumper. Also, after having made the mistake of trying to put fog lights up high on top of my brush guard, I've realized if you want fog lights to be mildly functional, they have to be mounted lower than the top of the bumper- i.e. I would likely put fog lights into the cutout, rather than driving lights, which would go on top.

And besides, if you've seen my truck, I obviously like lots of lights :)

[expat]

Yeah, I totally understand your point. For me personally I don't want or need fog lights nor cut-outs with blanks inserted. Having blanks will (IMO) make the bar look like something is missing.

Sure there will be the occasional trip where fogs will be useful to me but honestly, fogs don't work too well mounted in a bullbar on a lifted truck. They need to be real low to get under the fog.

[expat]

I know that many of you might like the circular lights (turn/DRL and fog), but if that is not an option as it appears SW are having trouble finding something, I wonder whether people would go for the rectangular style like this (http://www.vehiclelight.com/asl62300a.html) . I think it might act as both DRL and turn. It might be possible then to find a fog or driving light that is rectangular to match. I don't know how good two rectangular light sets would look tho.

My personal preference would be for a rectangular turn signal and no drive/fog light in the bumper the same as the ARB Tacoma in this thread (http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3147#post3147) .


Just putting up ideas...

Cheers
Mark

[ToyFamily]

We were planning on making that hole to mount a 4" PIAA which is avail in both fog or driving. A very nice offroad light not just a driving light. With what we have in mind I think will look pretty mean and even so (mean.expedition style) if you mounted two more on the top inside the large center tube.....there will be two light mount holes on top.

I will discuss the no light deal with Jim in the morning....the thing is that we are trying to let the customer (you) have input and options but we also need to appeal to the masses and keep the options simple enough to not jack up cost or create mistakes in orders...We'll have to discuss the options on different wings. But can't tell you anything right now. I see good looks in both but I don't know if both will actually be possible or not. Again I'll talk about this in morning. I think more solid decisions will be made/swayed when we see for real (both you and us).

thanks,

Nick

[Roams001]

I like the fact that the Shrock bumper lights in the new X (and potentially ours) don't look anything like a TJM or ARB. ;)

[bulldog]

I'm fine with having fogs in the bumper and driving lights on top. Reason is I have used my fogs a number of times when driving at night. If there was a simple blank that can fill the hole like the ARB deluxe bumpers have it might be an option. Just throwing out ideas.

For driving lights I would probably want something pretty powerfull as the 4R lights stock are pretty good, so a strong lightforce or something will probably be what I will get for driving lights.

[Asolo]

I'm fine with having fogs in the bumper and driving lights on top. Reason is I have used my fogs a number of times when driving at night. If there was a simple blank that can fill the hole like the ARB deluxe bumpers have it might be an option. Just throwing out ideas.

For driving lights I would probably want something pretty powerfull as the 4R lights stock are pretty good, so a strong lightforce or something will probably be what I will get for driving lights.


:iagree

I want standard fog lights. I drive in foggy conditions often and want them not on top of the bumper as it'd just reflect back in my eyes. in normal driving, I just want to use the stock stuff. when I'm out in the middle of nowhere, then I'll go w/ something from the top of the bumper that's really bright...but I want the options. that's really important to me.

[Dealmaker]

for sake of clarification, I believe by "fog" you mean a light with an amber/yellow lens with a wide pattern, and by "driving" you mean a light with a clear lens and probbaly more of a pencil beam.

Furthermore, additional larger driving lights can be added atop the bumper within the hoop?

If so, it sounds good to me!

We were planning on making that hole to mount a 4" PIAA which is avail in both fog or driving.....
thanks,

Nick

[my034runner]

Not that I drive in much fog in the middle of the desert, but I still want to have fog lights low on the bumper, and mount the bigger and brighter driving lights on top. Also, still need some type of turn signals for safety. :)

[expat]

This might be worth checking out...basically regulations re safety and design parameters for Bullbars in Oz (I imagine ARB would design to these parameters)

Link to regulations re bullbars in Australia (http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediafiles/lic_ci-112a.pdf)

[expat]

Is there a chance of a weekly update on the progress of the bullbar? It's driving my cazy checking every day for any snippets of info. :nerd:

When I was in the Porsche forums we had one repairer put a live cam in his shop so we could watch him rebuild a 1973 911 into a very slick race/road driver. It was totally addictive seeing the process and the development from day to day.

[bulldog]

Good find and interesting read!! The pedestrian collision problem is a tricky one though, due to the frontal height of the vehicle.

[ToyFamily]

when I'm messing with it I'm usually posting alot.... still waiting on the lazer cutter.

Nick

[Tucson T4R]

We were targeting a June shipment on the first batch of these bumpers. Are we still on track to meet that target? Thanks.

[ToyFamily]

I just got the prototype put together and we're checking things out on the 4runner right now...will try to get pics when possible.

Nick

[expat]

:rockon: :bigok: Thanks for the update.

[4x4v8]

Just out of curiousity, how much are they running for? And is it only for shipping in US?

[ToyFamily]

unknown on the price but we do ship international

Nick

[ssmathis]

I've had to add my name to the list of potential buyers but it just may be another month or two. I really love what Shrockworks is doing here.

Scott

[AlexJet]

4x4v8
Howard, is that you?

[PanteraLKN]

welllllllllllllllllllllll any news? has mine shipped yet?? ;-)

[ToyFamily]

Pics are here

http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342&page=12&pp=20