Body Lift

[AlexJet]

I want to do a body lift for my truck, but wondering how it will work with front and rear bumpers.
I know that front bumper is attaching to the frame with frame mounts. DO I need to modify them?
What about rear one? Frame is going inside it and I can't see too much space to move the bumper up.

[r0cky]

As I answered in the other thread:

Well ... click on my signature link and there are a few pictures there ... basically, I didn't have to do anything to change the front or rear bumpers after the lift. The only thing is that the metal bumper part behind the plastic bumper covering/cladding has to be moved up a set of holes on the brackets ... if you look under there, you'll see what I mean. Other than that, nothing needs to be changed and it was very easy. The only thing I did on the rear bumper was to remove the styrofoam piece that went between the cladding and the metal bumper itself. I'm not sure if that was necessary - I just did it because I didn't like the styrofoam ...

Hopefully you can see from the following pictures that there aren't any gap problems after the lift:

http://box.ixolo.com/one.jpg

http://box.ixolo.com/tirecarrier.jpg

[AlexJet]

Well ... click on my signature link and there are a few pictures there ... basically, I didn't have to do anything to change the front or rear bumpers after the lift. The only thing is that the metal bumper part behind the plastic bumper covering/cladding has to be moved up a set of holes on the brackets ... if you look under there, you'll see what I mean. Other than that, nothing needs to be changed and it was very easy. The only thing I did on the rear bumper was to remove the styrofoam piece that went between the cladding and the metal bumper itself. I'm not sure if that was necessary - I just did it because I didn't like the styrofoam ... ;)

I've seen those pictures, but I'd appreciate if you can make some more. I can't find that bracket with set of holes you're talking about. Could you specify where is it?
Another thing, how you managed not to move front bumper and have it aligned with fenders after the lift. fenders are attached to the body, but bumper to the frame.

[AlexJet]

That's the closest pictures of your rear:
http://static.flickr.com/26/48459408_dd8de2f46d.jpg
http://box.ixolo.com/me.jpg
Unfortunately I can't see how have you done the rear from this angle.

[r0cky]

I've seen those pictures, but I'd appreciate if you can make some more. I can't find that bracket with set of holes you're talking about. Could you specify where is it?
Another thing, how you managed not to move front bumper and have it aligned with fenders after the lift. fenders are attached to the body, but bumper to the frame.

If you look under the front, you will see a bracket where things are attached together with multiple long bolts on each side.

I'm not sure what you mean about the bumper and the fenders. Like I said, the bumper itself is moved up a set of holes on the bumper mount - which allows the cladding/fenders to remain aligned.

[r0cky]

As for the rear - there's nothing "to do" back there with the bumper - the only thing moving is the body/cladding, and it does just fine without any modification.

[AlexJet]

Are you talking about this?
Front:
http://thumb18.webshots.com/t/51/151/9/16/33/2358916330088563958wUNJCB_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2358916330088563958wUNJCB)

[AlexJet]

That's my rear. Am I missing something, but how bumper moves up and frame stays on place without interfering with each other? :confused:
http://thumb18.webshots.com/t/51/151/7/11/91/2342711910088563958ENYnFx_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2342711910088563958ENYnFx)

[r0cky]

Yep. You move the front-most part of that (the bumper) up a set.

[r0cky]

That's my rear. Am I missing something, but how bumper moves up and frame stays on place without interfering with each other? :confused:
http://thumb18.webshots.com/t/51/151/7/11/91/2342711910088563958ENYnFx_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2342711910088563958ENYnFx)

Like I said, you don't have to do anything with the rear. That plastic will deform a bit, but there's not much you can do about it. You can remove the styrofoam if you want, but I don't know that it will help.

[AlexJet]

Yep. You move the front-most part of that (the bumper) up a set.
Oh, and use just two bolts instead of three?? Is that what you mean?

[r0cky]

Oh, and use just two bolts instead of three?? Is that what you mean?

Well, you aren't going to get the bolts out -- so they'll all stay in there, you just have to move the mount up a set of holes so that some of the bolts won't be used.

Here is another picture of the rear after the lift - from it, you can see that things are still just fine -- the parts move up together:

http://box.ixolo.com/r1.jpg

[AlexJet]

Like I said, you don't have to do anything with the rear. That plastic will deform a bit, but there's not much you can do about it. You can remove the styrofoam if you want, but I don't know that it will help.

I think I got what you was trying to say.
Therefore, I'd appreciate if you would take couple images of front and rear setups and post them. Just want to make sure that I got you right.
Sorry to bother you, but this will really helps me. As my appreciation, I'd take some pictures of my rear tow points and post them for you, so you'll be able to copy them and be able to recover someone without taking your tire carrier off.

[r0cky]

I think I got what you was trying to say.
Therefore, I'd appreciate if you would take couple images of front and rear setups and post them. Just want to make sure that I got you right.
Sorry to bother you, but this will really helps me. As my appreciation, I'd take some pictures of my rear tow points and post them for you, so you'll be able to copy them and be able to recover someone without taking your tire carrier off.

I haven't been offroading much, and I don't have enough money to have anyone make any recovery points for me - not to mention that I don't know any fabbers around here.

Thank you though.

As for the pictures, I'm not sure what you need/want to see. What part of the front and rear set up?

[AlexJet]

Front image of the bumper bracket with bolts, and rear bumper/frame from diferent angle of the same image you just posted.

[AlexJet]

I did some measurements for Front Bumper Bracket tonight. Between those bolts is actually 1.07". (click on the images to see full version)
http://thumb18.webshots.com/t/48/48/0/39/96/2109039960088563958kdHEuv_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2109039960088563958kdHEuv)
But from inside side of the same bracket is just 1 bolt.
http://thumb18.webshots.com/t/42/42/4/24/0/2467424000088563958OWgzES_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2467424000088563958OWgzES)
All this means that if I move the bumper 1 set of bolts up, I'll loose 2 out of 4 bolts, which is 1/2. Does it means that I'm going to loose 1/2 of the straightness,... may be. Just curios, are we talking about same things?
Another point is that if between bolts is 1.07", and you gone with 1.25", you should have something like 0.18" (~3/16") gap between bumper and fenders.
Because of all this, I was so interested in your setup.

[r0cky]

Straightness? I'm not sure what you're talking about ... but as you can see from my pictures, I don't have much of any kind of gap.

[AlexJet]

Straightness? I'm not sure what you're talking about ... but as you can see from my pictures, I don't have much of any kind of gap.

Sorry, I was talking about strength/durability. It's 8:30pm and I'm a little bit tired after work (~10hr of work today), so my mind sometimes ahead of me. :)
Yep, I can't see big gap, and this is becoming more and more interesting... So I'd appreciate if you can take a picture from outside and inside of that bracket, so I can compare to mine.

[r0cky]

Yeah, I don't like that I had to move the bumper up ... I don't like it at all, but my feeling was that I would eventually be getting an aftermarket bumper and could move it back to the original mounting position. I'm in the middle of a move at the moment, but when things get settled I will try to get some more pictures.

[AlexJet]

Thank you. I'll be waiting for those images.
By the way, have you installed the body and suspension lift yourself or asked some shop to do it for you?

[r0cky]

Thank you. I'll be waiting for those images.
By the way, have you installed the body and suspension lift yourself or asked some shop to do it for you?

Installed the body lift with the help of someone who was at the time my friend. Installed all the suspension lifts I've had by myself (except for the OME which was installed by a dealership who hadn't done an OME lift on a 4th gen. before and wanted to see how it worked).

[AlexJet]

Installed the body lift with the help of someone who was at the time my friend. ...

Was it difficult? How long did it took?

[r0cky]

Was it difficult? How long did it took?

No, it's not difficult. You don't have to use coil compressors so that is a BIG plus in my book. ;) We were doing a big marathon wrench-a-thon with fender reshaping, grinding parts of the frame, fitting 35s, etc. ... so it took an hour or two overnight. I can't remember exactly how long, as again, we were working through the night and doing so many other things. It definitely took a LOT less time than struggling with compressing coils during the suspension lift and having problems with working around the XREAS lines. If you have a friend who can help, you should be able to get through it over the course of a day. (the hardest part is just the time it takes to get to each body mount from side the cabin)

[AlexJet]

One more question.
You have Sanoran Panhard bar drop. Which one have you got? I checked Sanoran Steel website. They listed only 2.5" and 3.5" drop bars for 3rd Gen., nothing for 4th. Which one you have?
Does it help on-road and/or off-road? What is your personal opinion?

[r0cky]

One more question.
You have Sanoran Panhard bar drop. Which one have you got? I checked Sanoran Steel website. They listed only 2.5" and 3.5" drop bars for 3rd Gen., nothing for 4th. Which one you have?
Does it help on-road and/or off-road? What is your personal opinion?

Steve made one based on my specific measurements ... but when I got it, I had around 3.5-4" lift in the rear. You do NOT need one. (what I mean is, your current stock panhard bar will be fine)

[AlexJet]

Steve made one based on my specific measurements ... but when I got it, I had around 3.5-4" lift in the rear. You do NOT need one. (what I mean is, your current stock panhard bar will be fine)


You saying it will work fine with OME + 4Crawler. Hmmm, Body lift probably do nothing... OME has 2.75" in the rear. May be you're right....

[r0cky]

You won't need it with 2.75" in the rear.