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bulldog

05-17-2006, 06:44 PM

Well after researching and looking around I finally decided to get a toilet system for remote trips and a tent to use with it (which will hopefully function OK as a shower tent in the future).

Human waste is becoming a major problem on many trails where there are no toilet facilities (Rubi is one example), but many others as well. Also females will probably appreciate it when camping.

After much reading it seems the PETT is the toilet to get, compact in size, good waste management bags and sturdy. Seems to egt many thumbs up from the cruiser people.

http://www.thepett.com/images/Pettwithtoilet.jpg

More info here
http://www.thepett.com/

Got it from Cabela's and also got this (what looks like a neat foldup privvy)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/59/07/96/i590796sq01.jpg

Will see how they work and might have to test them out at Big Bear as the campsite toilet is not............... ideal shall we say.

I think James have been using this and seems to be happy with it.

Cruiserhead

05-17-2006, 07:17 PM

that's the exact stuff I have.
The PETT is a normal home sized toilet seat so it's really nice. The disposal bags are double sealed, turn liquid into gel and odor minimizer. It's the king hehe

The privy tent (which I use for showers) is actually very nice- it's got a "towel rack", zip open roof, side slot (for shower, reaching change of clothes, etc)

Only thing you should practice folding it up. It is like the window shades, if you can't figure them out, dont get this! It's a snap tho, and I like that it's no packing space and it just pops open.

here's my shower in use at DV
http://homepage.mac.com/paintlab/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2006-03-20%2023.04.28%20-0800/Image-E2F20A16B8A711DA.jpg

bulldog

05-17-2006, 07:23 PM

Kewl, I'm good with window shades so it should be OK.

At least this way longer remote trips should be OK. Just need a mag rack to read while doing seat time. :jester:

my034runner

05-17-2006, 08:38 PM

Kewl, I'm good with window shades so it should be OK.

At least this way longer remote trips should be OK. Just need a mag rack to read while doing seat time. :jester:

:jester: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

expat

05-18-2006, 10:53 PM

Where's the vent fan :rotflmao:

The women will love this. I think I need one too!

It would look funny as hell having a stack of these all over the dunes at Pismo. Put a flashing red light on it at night when in use :rotflmao:

Are the waste bags biodegradable at all? Reason I'm asking is if you were in remote areas for any length of time it would be none too desirable to carry the waste bag around in a truck. If the bag was biodegradable then you could at least dig a hole and dispose of it.

bulldog

05-19-2006, 02:03 PM

The bags are supposed to be degradable. But it would still be better to pack it out. Especially pending on the location (i.e. Rubicon). I think guys normally have a separate bag which they carry on their roof rack for waste and trash to pack out. Keeping it for longer than a week might be an issue though, but normally you should be so remote than digging a hole shouldn't be an issue.

Cruiserhead

05-19-2006, 04:23 PM

Better double check on this but I think that in the desert, you cannot bury waste. The area is so dry that decomposition will take over 100yrs.

In the desert, if you are not going to pack it out, you should smear your junk on rocks so it can decompose w/ air.

I believe the bags decompose, but being in the desert, I and everyone else has always packed it out. I do keep my garbage hanging outside the rig.

expat

05-19-2006, 07:27 PM

The E.coli in human waste would provide for the process of decomposition. There should be enough H20 in human waste for provide for its own decomp.

I too will check on this but that's my basic understanding of biology :rolleyes:

expat

05-19-2006, 09:53 PM

respost...sorry

expat

05-19-2006, 09:59 PM

From the Boy Scout Assoc of Am.

Catholes: Proper Disposal of Human Waste
Perhaps the most widely accepted method of backcountry human waste disposal is the cathole. The advantages are:

1. They are easy to dig in most areas.

2. They are easy to disguise after use.

3. They are private.

4. They disperse the waste rather than concentrate it to enhance decomposition. f It is usually easy to select a remote location where you can be certain no one is going to casually encounter the cathole.

Selecting a Cathole Site
1. Select a cathole site far from water sources; 200 feet (approximately 80 adult paces) is the recommended minimum range.

2. Select an inconspicuous site untraveled by people. Examples of cathole sites include thick undergrowth, near downed timber, or on gentle hillsides.

3. If camping with a group or if camping in the same place for more than one night, disperse the catholes over a wide area; don't go to the same place twice.

4. Try to find a site with deep organic soil. This organic material contains organisms that will help decompose the feces. Organic soil is usually dark and rich in color. Refer to the jars used to demonstrate decomposition. The desert does not have as much organic soil as a forested area.

Digging a Cathole
1. A small garden trowel is the perfect tool for digging a cathole.

2. Dig the hole 6 to 8 inches deep (about the length of the trowel blade) and 4 to 6 inches in diameter. In a hot desert, human waste does not biodegrade easily because there is little organic soil to help break it down. In the desert, the cathole should be only 4 to 6 inches deep. This will allow the heat and sun to hasten the decay process.

3. When finished, fill the cathole with the original dirt and disguise it with native materials.

A Note About Urine
Urine does not hurt plants and soil directly. Sometimes, the salt in urine may attract wildlife. Animals can defoliate plants and dig up soil to get at the salts. It is best to urinate on rocks and in places that will not attract wildlife.

And from the Center of Outdoor Ethics...

In most locations, burying human feces in the correct manner is the most effective method to meet these criteria. Solid human waste must be packed out from some places, such as narrow river canyons. Land management agencies can advise you of specific rules for the area you plan to visit.

Contrary to popular opinion, research indicates that burial of feces actually slows decomposition (at least in the Rocky Mountains). Pathogens have been discovered to survive for a year or more when buried. However, in light of the other problems associated with feces, it is still generally best to bury it. The slow decomposition rate causes the need to choose the correct location, far from water, campsites, and other frequently used places.

Cruiserhead

05-20-2006, 12:22 AM

good info, tho what about toilet paper? (I think there are bio-options) Anyway, I prefer to pack out but it is good info listed Mark. At least we know what the correct procedure is.

Here is a thread on this topic. Although it gets quite contemptuous, I'll point out that it is for places like the Rubicon where pack-it-out is the only responsible thing to do, and where the topic gets heated. That is seperate from the general topic that Mark is referencing.
I'll always pack-out but it is good to know that bury (catholes) are acceptable too.
It's a good read to understand the frame of mind tho.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=87976

my034runner

05-20-2006, 07:25 AM

Well after researching and looking around I finally decided to get a toilet system for remote trips and a tent to use with it (which will hopefully function OK as a shower tent in the future).

Human waste is becoming a major problem on many trails where there are no toilet facilities (Rubi is one example), but many others as well. Also females will probably appreciate it when camping.

After much reading it seems the PETT is the toilet to get, compact in size, good waste management bags and sturdy. Seems to get many thumbs up from the cruiser people.

http://www.thepett.com/images/Pettwithtoilet.jpg

More info here
http://www.thepett.com/

Got it from Cabela's and also got this (what looks like a neat fold up privy)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/59/07/96/i590796sq01.jpg

Will see how they work and might have to test them out at Big Bear as the campsite toilet is not............... ideal shall we say.

I think James have been using this and seems to be happy with it.

Whats the weight restriction on the PETT toilet? I couldn't find it. In other words, will it support fats as*es like me? :jester:

bulldog

05-20-2006, 09:35 PM

Whats the weight restriction on the PETT toilet? I couldn't find it. In other words, will it support fats as*es like me? :jester:
I think it can take up to 800lbs (listed on their site), so you better start eating!!! :D

TOYOTABOONE

05-23-2006, 02:07 PM

Curious how long it takes to set up & then take down the tent. Good solution for trail runs.

bulldog

05-23-2006, 02:50 PM

Curious how long it takes to set up & then take down the tent. Good solution for trail runs.
James can comment on this, but my understanding is that it wont take more than a minute or 2. tent folds like a shade (might have to put a peg or 2 in for wind. The PETT unfolds quickly and then it is just insert bag and remove when down. So my current estimate would be 5 -10 minutes to unpack setup and then pack it in again. How long you sit on it is your business though :lol:

So for a trail stop it will work fine, but even better for a camp stop.

I'll post up after actually using it a few times. James has been using it though for toilet and shower (obviously not in the PETT).

Cruiserhead

05-23-2006, 03:06 PM

It's however fast you can fold it. Just a few seconds.

There are even pockets at the bottom so you can put some rocks in there and no need for pegs.

my034runner

05-24-2006, 06:10 PM

I think it can take up to 800lbs (listed on their site), so you better start eating!!! :D

Great, only 500 lbs to go!! :moon: :shocked: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

bulldog

05-24-2006, 06:17 PM

Great, only 500 lbs to go!! :moon: :shocked: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Get a big GF on the side :rotflmao:

I will check mine out when I get it. Hopefully I will never need the full 800lbs capacity.

my034runner

05-25-2006, 12:25 AM

Get a big GF on the side :rotflmao:

I will check mine out when I get it. Hopefully I will never need the full 800lbs capacity.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Hey, so how much for the whole set up??

bulldog

05-25-2006, 08:28 AM

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Hey, so how much for the whole set up??

I bought from Cabelas, so you might save a few dollars if you shop around seriously

Tent is $50
PETT $80
Bags with everything needed including wipes and sealant $25 for 12 ( I am going to see if I can find a cheaper source for these). THe bags can be used more thna once, I think they can tak up to 60 Oz of waste.

Joel

05-25-2006, 08:57 AM

Where did you get the pett? They show $116 on their site.

bulldog

05-25-2006, 09:56 AM

Where did you get the pett? They show $116 on their site.
I ordered my setup from Cabelas.com

$80 for PETT and $25 for bags

The tent I also ordered from Cabelas, didn't order the PETT tent as it was too expensive and lookied to complex to setup.

tour4fun

05-25-2006, 10:32 AM

This next :camping: trip is going to be hilarious :lol: :lol: :lol:
We're going to come back to camp and have to identify our own sh*t tents !! They're all going to be identical.

bulldog

05-25-2006, 11:28 AM

This next :camping: trip is going to be hilarious :lol: :lol: :lol:
We're going to come back to camp and have to identify our own sh*t tents !! They're all going to be identical.
Good point, I think I will tie somethign blue to mine or stitch somethin blue on it.

ahriman

05-25-2006, 11:35 AM

y'know, whatever happened to good ol' trees and leaves?...

Cruiserhead

05-25-2006, 01:33 PM

y'know, whatever happened to good ol' trees and leaves?...

Not being able to spot poison oak put an end to that :mecry: :jester:

tour4fun

05-25-2006, 02:31 PM

Good point, I think I will tie somethign blue to mine or stitch somethin blue on it.

Good point, I think I'll also put some blue on mine :rotflmao: :jester: :rotflmao:

bulldog

05-25-2006, 04:05 PM

Good point, I think I'll also put some blue on mine :rotflmao: :jester: :rotflmao:
Great, then we will walk in on each others business. :spank: :spank: No thanx, you can get pink :P

BTW I got my PETT and WAG Bags today. Pretty nifty system adn really sturdy. I suggest you check it out before first use to see how the bags work. Might be a problem if you are under pressure, if you know what I mean. :jester:

My tent is on backorder.

bulldog

06-07-2006, 06:06 PM

Got the privvy tent today. Really nifty and sets up in a jiffy and also collapses in a jiffy. Very straight forward and like a carshade setup and collapse. Ready for some serious reading time now :D

my034runner

06-07-2006, 06:23 PM

Got the privy tent today. Really nifty and sets up in a jiffy and also collapses in a jiffy. Very straight forward and like a car shade setup and collapse. Ready for some serious reading time now :D

Cool, how much did you spend for the whole set up? :confused: :moon:

bulldog

06-07-2006, 07:20 PM

Cool, how much did you spend for the whole set up? :confused: :moon:
A crap load of money :eek: :moon:

J/K

$167 including shipping. Not bad for toilet, bags and tent. Teh stuff takes up minimal space and looks pretty convenient. It also weighs very little.

my034runner

06-07-2006, 10:58 PM

A crap load of money :eek: :moon:

J/K

$167 including shipping. Not bad for toilet, bags and tent. The stuff takes up minimal space and looks pretty convenient. It also weighs very little.

Ha Ha, I take bigger craps than that! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Actually, I guess that $167.00 isn't too bad. And you got all of the pieces from Cabela? Is it @ Cabela.com?

bulldog

06-07-2006, 11:03 PM

cabelas.com

http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20075&id=0009548514869a&navCount=2&podId=0009548&parentId=cat20097&navAction=push&catalogCode=IG&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20097&hasJS=true

http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0032659590796a&navCount=4&podId=0032659&parentId=cat20097&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat20075&catalogCode=QT&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20097&hasJS=true

my034runner

06-08-2006, 01:10 PM

05sport4x4

06-08-2006, 01:11 PM

Andries,

So where are the pictures of this setup on your lawn next to your 4 runner? :bounce2: :jester:

JK although I would like to see one setup up. Are you going to bring it to the BBB?

my034runner

06-08-2006, 01:15 PM

[QUOTE=05sport4x4]Andries,

So where are the pictures of this setup on your lawn next to your 4 runner? :bounce2: :jester:

:jester: :moon: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :banana:
Yeah, lets see it set up in your Front Yard!! :jester:

Joel

06-08-2006, 01:20 PM

Robert, buy the toilet from Cabelas also.. it's cheaper there.

bulldog

06-08-2006, 03:03 PM

Andries,

So where are the pictures of this setup on your lawn next to your 4 runner? :bounce2: :jester:

JK although I would like to see one setup up. Are you going to bring it to the BBB?
Yeah you can see it at BBB. I will leave it outside for guests to use at my house now :rotflmao:

my034runner

06-08-2006, 06:31 PM

Robert, buy the toilet from Cabelas also.. it's cheaper there.

Joel,
I went to the Cabelas site that Andrieas posted up, it looked like about $200 - $250.00. I like the $167.00 price better. Maybe when I get home, I can spend a little more time researching it. :D

Joel

06-08-2006, 06:46 PM

my034runner

06-08-2006, 06:51 PM

Toilet only is $80 here:
http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0009548514869a&navCount=1&podId=0009548&parentId=cat20097&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat20075&catalogCode=IG&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20097&hasJS=true

No, I already saw that, I was referring to what Andries paid for everything. Toilet, bags, tent (privy) etc... :wavey:

Joel

06-08-2006, 07:07 PM

$80 toilet
$25 bags
$50 privy tent

$155 total

Joel

06-08-2006, 07:08 PM

I think I might get the toilet and skip the privy-tent :moon: :flipoff:

bulldog

06-08-2006, 07:44 PM

Robert,

Just buy the PETT toilet and bags, and get the privvy tent not the PETT tent.

Joel,

You beter get a tent, we don't want to see your :moon:

my034runner

06-08-2006, 11:35 PM

Robert,

Just buy the PETT toilet and bags, and get the privy tent not the PETT tent.

Doh?! :doh: I'm a little slow! I was just looking at that package. I think I'll get one.

Joel,

You better get a tent, we don't want to see your :moon:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :shocked: :moon: :guns: :rotflmao:

my034runner

06-09-2006, 07:35 AM

Ordered. Although the privy tent is on back order right now. I also got the battery operated shower. I figured for $20.00 why not? :iagree

Joel

06-12-2006, 08:59 AM

FYI - I picked this setup up from my local Bass Pro Shop, for the same prices Cabelas sells them for.

my034runner

06-13-2006, 08:20 AM

FYI - I picked this setup up from my local Bass Pro Shop, for the same prices Cabelas sells them for.

Crap, I didn't think about Bass! :iamwithst

my034runner

06-15-2006, 11:45 PM

Received my PETT and extra bags today. The Privy tent and shower were on back order, but should be in next week I hope.
:devil:

expat

06-16-2006, 03:23 PM

Damn! - electric fridges, toilet seats, privacy tents, campsites....I think we're going soft boys.

Remember the old days - ice, a hole, a bush and a patch of flat ground?

I wanna have my son see what real camping is like so I guess I'll be the only one draining water, carrying a shovel and driving in circles to make a flat piece of soft ground to sleep on.

ROTFLOL!

bulldog

06-16-2006, 03:33 PM

expat

06-16-2006, 03:36 PM

Yup, I agree. Especially as age creeps (or marches) up on ya. I'm getting too old to squat now. You know those hemorrhoids!

bulldog

06-16-2006, 03:38 PM

Yup, I agree. Especially as age creeps (or marches) up on ya. I'm getting too old to squat now. You know those hemorrhoids!
Thx we needed that mental picture like we need a hole in the head. :redx:

expat

06-16-2006, 03:47 PM

Yeah well.....I might need a hand (finger) pushing one back in.............

Ok, I'll stop now....sorry!

bulldog

06-16-2006, 03:52 PM

Yeah well.....I might need a hand (finger) pushing one back in.............

Ok, I'll stop now....sorry!
:poke: :flipoff:

tour4fun

06-17-2006, 03:37 PM

http://www.smiliesftw.com/x/inoutpuke.gif

JB...

07-01-2006, 07:54 PM

Well after researching and looking around I finally decided to get a toilet system for remote trips and a tent to use with it..

Thanks for the thread. Something I've needed for a while without fully realizing it. A couple of quality items at a great combined price.

bulldog

07-01-2006, 10:06 PM

Thanks for the thread. Something I've needed for a while without fully realizing it. A couple of quality items at a great combined price.
No prob so at least we don't have to step in each other's poop at a campsite this way :jester: