Jawbone - Oct. '06

[Mikestang]

Fun time! Although I only got to do the one trail, Last Chance Canyon, it was worth the drive. Hopefully these picts will hold everyone over until the group gets back and posts their picts. I look forward to heading out there again (with a lift!). Thanks for leading us, Jason. Here's a few picts, all my picts can be found here (http://www.mikestang.com/10-20-06.htm).

http://www.mikestang.com/user/image/jawbone24.JPG

http://www.mikestang.com/user/image/jawbone08.JPG

John got to be the guinea pig all day:
http://www.mikestang.com/user/image/jawbone14.JPG

Robert really wanted to drive over this rock:
http://www.mikestang.com/user/image/jawbone15.JPG

Jason did a great job spotting us all:
http://www.mikestang.com/user/image/jawbone17.JPG

Robert's game face:
http://www.mikestang.com/user/image/jawbone18.JPG

A cliff made out of bubble gum?
http://www.mikestang.com/user/image/jawbone20.JPG

Hmm, wasn't this straight when I woke up this morning?
http://www.mikestang.com/user/image/jawbone28.JPG

[Teotwaki]

Thanks for posting so soon! I am still bummed. I had a faint hope of going on Friday but had to be at home. At least I got some work on the 4Runner done.

How did the rear axle's link(s) get bent? Assuming that was yours, what are the repair/replacement plans?

[Mikestang]

I was hitting the little bracket all day long on rocks, so one of those times I must of whacked the arm itself. I never felt it, so that tells me how weak those arms are. I'm going to straighten it as best I can with a pry bar this afternoon. I'll look into those beefy tabs and replacement options when I get to the suspension in a month or so. Maybe Kurt is ready to make another set? :) There's also the All-Pro (http://allprooffroad.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=120) and Sonoran Steel (http://www.sonoransteel.com/fjc_rubicon_express_links.html) ones. They're a bit expensive, but look really stout.

EDIT - I ended up taking the trailing arm off and persuading it a few times with my 10 lb sledge. It's more or less straight for now, but I'll still be replacing them in the near future.

[expat]

Sorry to have missed ya Mike. It was a great trip. Jason sure knows his trails!

We had some pretty serious carnage on Saturday and on that note, I'll leave it up to the poor bugger to explain his situation when/if he gets home and stops licking his wounds.

The photos will be worth a thousand words.

Here is a teaser...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06045.jpg

Its what happens if you don't brush your teeth - cavaties!

Thanks to Andries for putting the trip together, to Jason for leading on Saturday, Robert for the caps, and everyone else for the food and company around the fire.

Cheers
Mark

[Joel]

Another awesome (aside from the carnage) trip guys! I'll have photos up tomorrow and a video a bit later in the week.

[expat]

A few others for now...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06021.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06019.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06005.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06058.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06055.jpg

[Cruiserhead]

whoa, this is sounds like a fun adventure! :beer:

[Teotwaki]

Is that just the lighting or is something hanging underneath??


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06019.jpg


Glad everybody made it out alive!

[Joel]

Btw, Robert got home fine, we actually met up with him on the 15.

[bulldog]

Got home around 8:40 tonight. I will unpack tomorrow and probably only got around to the pics later this week.

It was a great time folks, thanks for coming out and everybody contributing. All I can say is that at some point we will have to do a "rematch" of this area.

[expat]

Is that just the lighting or is something hanging underneath??

Where are you looking?

[dnstaco]

Thanks for posting up Joel...glad to find out that Robert made it back,he said he was going to call.That's it I owe you one there Robert!!! :xnuts: Just kidding, here's one for you really :drink: I'll give you a holla tommorrow!!!

[Teotwaki]

Where are you looking?

back towards the muffler can. Might be the dark side of the differential?

[Mikestang]

All I can say is that at some point we will have to do a "rematch" of this area.

Sounds like a plan!

So can I assume that that is Robert's diff in that picture? That sucks! Can't wait to see everyone's photos.

I think it's just shadows, Jim, I don't see anything.

[my034runner]

Yeah, I'm home! Thanks to all who helped me get home! A big thanks to Jason, your experience with your 4Runner, working on mine was beyond the call of duty. And likewise to Andries, John and Mark, I never would have gotten off the mountain without you. For Henry making sure that I was road worthy, on our way to the 395 & 58 highways.
And to Joel and Kurt for escorting me safely back to Las Vegas.

Oh yeah, here's a few pictures to look at! (http://rides.webshots.com/album/555053504HltVpC)

[bulldog]

Great pics guys, keep them coming.

[tour4fun]

Looks like you guys had a great time, need some more pics to prove it :bigok:

[Mikestang]

Robert's diff didn't explode on the same hill as Jason's, did it?

[Joel]

Nope, it popped on the newly named "Ring and Pinion Fall"

[Teotwaki]

Nope, it popped on the newly named "Ring and Pinion Fall"

So who had a spare ring laying around? How much did it cost Robert? :cry:

You guys are AWESOME for getting him back on the road! :welder: :sawzall:


:rockon:

[97kurt]

No spare ring... Jason, Mark, John and Andries pulled the third and removed the ring gear. Then put the third back together.

I had the pleasure of bending the tabs back on the ring bolts :cool1: Never thought I would be doing that this weekend.


http://thumb9.webshots.net/t/26/26/4/98/75/2582498750086613829LdxUXv_th.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2582498750086613829LdxUXv)

[tour4fun]

So who had a spare ring laying around? How much did it cost Robert? :cry:

You guys are AWESOME for getting him back on the road! :welder: :sawzall:


:rockon:

That is why these are the :cool1: :bow: :welder: people to go offroading with. Everyone helps when one is in trouble. :bigok:

[bulldog]

I'm sure a proper write up will be done at some point, but to explain the diff issue.

Robert popped his ring gear on the rear doing a very tough obstacle that Jason, Joel and myself decided to bypass. Robert and Mark can give their account of how it happened in detail, but I think the video and pictures will give a better idea of the obstacle.

AFter the obstacle his rear diff got progressive worse from a clicking sound to more agressive grinding. Mark then proceeded to start towing RObert to see fi we can get him to a spot to fix (initialy we hoped to reach Colorado camp). However after his rear started to lock up while being towed, we got him to a nice flat spot adn decided we better get his rear rolling again.

We initially though that some of the metal that broke of his ring gear was locking up the diff, so the oil was drained and Jason start removing metal bits with a magnet form the housing. He managed to get quite a few big chunks out. We then tested the diff with the wheels in the air, but it still kept locking. SO we had to pull the third. Fortunately Jason was there and knew exactly how to pull, since he has been working on his axles a couple of weeks back. He led the charge with the rest of us lending a hand.

After he pulled the third we could see the ring gear was completely trashed in one section, more pics will show it in detail. SO what happened was that the pinion gears would collide with the now defunc ring gears at random causing the axle to lock up. Fortunately the spider gears will still in good nick. So we pulled the ring gear from the carrier and the put the carrier back into the third. As there was no torque on the carrier anymore we were able to just hand preset the load on the carrier bearings.

Jason then popped the third back with John's help and some random assistance from the rest of us. We tested the axle and all seemed to rotate freely. All of this took probably 3 hours or more from when we stopped had lunch, got Jason back to the repair spot, etc.

Fortunately between the lot of us we had the tools, gear oil and know how to get it sorted out and running again.

Robert was able to lock the center diff and drive out in front wheel drive.

The rear axle of the 4R is only a semi-floating unit, so the carrier is required for the axles to carry the weight.

All in all Robert was able to drive home, which will make it a lot easier to get fixed now.

[my034runner]

Yeah, that about sums it up. Mark and I kicked the waterfalls ass, but in the end, I was the one crying from the ass kicking. :cry: :mecry: :nono:
But, it sure was fun climbing that sucker, it wasn't easy by any stretch of imagination! :flipoff: :bigok:

[Joel]

"Ring and Pinion Falls"
http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/d/14829-1/DSC_2287.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/d/14831-1/DSC_2291.jpg

[Joel]

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2216.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2221.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2227.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2228.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2229.jpg

[Joel]

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2233.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2235.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2240.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2243.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2247.jpg

[Joel]

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2250.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2251.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2253.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2269.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2272.jpg

[Joel]

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2275.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2276.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2279.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2281.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2285.jpg

[Joel]

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2297.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2298.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2302.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2309.jpg

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2314.jpg

[Joel]

Rest are here:
http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/v/events/2006/Jawbone/

[my034runner]

I love your new choice of tire size!! :shocked: That will be one sick 4Runner with those bad boys on there!! :jester: :bigok:
Don't know if your spare tire carrier can handle it though. ;)

[bulldog]

This pic probably show the best perspective of RIng and Pinion fall. It is about 14ft or more high with vertical ledges that vary from 2-4 ft. So you can only attack it by snaking through it. The angle of the 4R going up it varied in my best guess between 30 and 50 dgerees, pending the spot they were at. As I previously said, we looked at it carefully and decided to bypass it. Even after Mark and Robert went through, we still passed on it before we knew the real damage.

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/d/14831-1/DSC_2291.jpg

The pic of me standing in front of it definitely had a wrong angle as I'm not playing in the NBA :rotflmao:

BTW great pics as always Joel. But I don't think that tire would fit on your 4R :P

I don't even want to know about this one :eek:
http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2281.jpg

[Joel]

That's where Capt' Ron had his front driver tire on the mountain and drove up it a few feet! :shocked:

[my034runner]

I'm sure he can fit those tires on! It will only take a few modifications! :sawzall: :welder: :sawzall: :welder: :tequila: :rockon:
A slight body lift, a few other odds and ends, and you have a monster 4th gen! Piece of cake. :bigok:

[my034runner]

That's where Capt' Ron had his front driver tire on the mountain and drove up it a few feet! :shocked:


So first mate Dan decided to take the same line?? :jester:
No wonder they're going to sell the Sequoia.

[Joel]

Video Teaser..

Robert's Ring Breaking (http://joelrasmus.com/temp/robert.mov)

@ ~8s

[05sport4x4]

Great video Joel.

[05sport4x4]

Had a great time this weekend with everyone. I would like to thank Jason for being kind enough to meet a few of us a Jawbone earlier on Friday and leading us on a nice ride.
Thanks to Andries and everyone else for their work on putting the trip together.
The food was better then I eat at home with Roberts’s ribs, Andries filet mignon and Korean ribs, Jason’s carna asada and salsa, then the sausages, Chile verde, stew, chicken, garlic cheese bread, several salads and more then I can remember.
I look through my photo’s to see if anything is worth posting a little later.

[Mikestang]

Gnarly, can't wait to see the whole thing.

[05sport4x4]

Here's a few pics from Friday

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060001.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060002.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060007.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060009.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060011.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060014.jpg

[05sport4x4]

and a few from Sat. & Sundays runs
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060017.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060018.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060020.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060026.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060027.jpg
The real tilton Hilton
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/05sport4x4/Red%20Rock%202006/RedRock-20060029.jpg

[crhannig]

Looks like you all had fun. Well expect Robert. (Showoff) :cow:

The pictures are great as usual. There seemed to be a few that Shrockworks might could use in their ads.

Nice Teaser video Joel. I showed a guy at work and he was "ohh something broke there, didn't it?"

[Teotwaki]

Video Teaser..

Robert's Ring Breaking (http://joelrasmus.com/temp/robert.mov)

@ ~8s


Holy Moly, caught on film no less! :shocked:

[bulldog]

My pics are here
http://www.ezdries.net/html/jawbone_oct06.html

Below a few ones

http://www.ezdries.net/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_42891.jpg

http://www.ezdries.net/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_43051.jpg

http://www.ezdries.net/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_43321.jpg

http://www.ezdries.net/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_43121.jpg

http://www.ezdries.net/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_43591.jpg

[my034runner]

You tease! :flipoff: I don't remember them gears sounding quite that loud, so you're an embellisher too! :jester: :jester: :roflmao:

[expat]

Remove the drain plug
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06029.jpg


and catch the oil in a coffee can
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06030.jpg

now everyone lay down and look at how it comes apart
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06031.jpg

"John, we need more tools.."
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06032.jpg

collect some teeth
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06033.jpg

let Andries stick his big head in there for a minute
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06035.jpg

undo the drive shaft bolts
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06036.jpg

let Andries have another look....nice arses boys!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06037.jpg

tear off the wheels and brakes (probably could have left the brakes on)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06038.jpg

[expat]

give the two highlifts some support with the wheels as some bracing
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06039.jpg

pull those axles out enough to free the third
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06041.jpg

invite the crowd to watch and throw in a hand (or tools) from time to time
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06042.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06043.jpg

here comes that pesky third
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06044.jpg

ouch!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06045.jpg

time to pull the gears apart (I am sure they were trying on a "Laying of the Hands" in hope of a miracle of healing! It didn't work tho. It stayed broke.)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06046.jpg

hey this is fun, wonder what the master tech would be saying about now
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06047.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06048.jpg

impact wrench put to use
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06049.jpg

[expat]

hope someone remember how to put this back together!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06050.jpg

putting it back together minus a ring gear
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06051.jpg

won't be doing this for a while
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/expatozzie/Goler%20Gulch%2006/GolerGulchOct06002.jpg


Great lesson in "on the trail repairs".

Congrats to all.

[tour4fun]

Great lesson in "on the trail repairs".

Congrats to all.

Great narration :bigok: (Didn't know you had an arse fetish though :ignore: )

Great team work guys :bow:

[Teotwaki]

One of my favorite pictures. Good catch Joel! It fairly yells out "Mystery!" and "History!" as if it was in an Indian Jones movie. :)

http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/g2data/albums/events/2006/Jawbone/DSC_2279.jpg

[bulldog]

Mark you forgot the tapping on the ring gear bolts to loosen it from the carrier. Sloppy work on the documentation there :flipoff:

Now I can see why you were :jester: so much. At least with the Toyota caps we looked like master techs :banana:

[my034runner]

WTF, everybody has shots of my034runner in pieces, where's the shots of why it was in pieces??? :confused: :deadhorse All I've seen so far, has been Joel's teaser video (nice by the way). :) Come on somebody, hook us up with some black magic pictures on Ring & Pinon Falls. :bow:

[JP4Crawler]

Finally I have a chance to check out all the good pics. It was a real treat to finally catch up with the T120 crew. I'm glad I was able to lend a hand, with the trails & the wrenching. Very cool bunch of guys & gals & kids & dogs to hang out with. I look forward to the next trip. Thanks to everyone for everything. Good food, good people, good times & good wheelin'!!

I thought the run up Goler Gulch was great & gave just enough challenge to keep things interesting without banging things up too much, well, except for optional R&P Falls. Which, I must say, is the most challenging obstacle I have seen conquered in a 4Th Gen. Kudos to Mark & Robert for showin' us how it's done. :thrasher: Here's a couple of mine:
http://thumb9.webshots.net/t/57/457/0/74/26/2231074260092085469JtvTmG_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2231074260092085469JtvTmG)
http://thumb9.webshots.net/t/57/557/7/59/98/2614759980092085469MYstlx_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2614759980092085469MYstlx)

Jason

[JP4Crawler]

Dang, those pics came out huge. Obviously, I'm not much of a web wheeler. They were there for a minute & now they're gone. I may never figure out this pics thing. Oh well, check out the linky. The rest of mine are here:
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/555069998AygQUS?start=0

I actually ended up getting my 4R on the road for this one & my buddy, Jason, drove it out Sat morning. Most of the pics were taken by him. Thanks for coming out to my neck of the desert. I had a great time. Sorry guys, I forgot to warn you about "Crazy Capt'n Ron". :D You don't always want to follow him!! :eek: It sure keeps things interesting though. I hope to see everyone again soon.

Jason

[bulldog]

Dang, those pics came out huge. Obviously, I'm not much of a web wheeler. They were there for a minute & now they're gone. I may never figure out this pics thing. Oh well, check out the linky. The rest of mine are here:
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/555069998AygQUS?start=0

I actually ended up getting my 4R on the road for this one & my buddy, Jason, drove it out Sat morning. Most of the pics were taken by him. Thanks for coming out to my neck of the desert. I had a great time. Sorry guys, I forgot to warn you about "Crazy Capt'n Ron". :D You don't always want to follow him!! :eek: It sure keeps things interesting though. I hope to see everyone again soon.

Jason
SOme great pics, especially of RIng & Pinion fall. Was great meeting you in person. Next time we will finish the trails though :D

BTW any heard back from Dan? Hope they made it back safe and sound.

[Teotwaki]

this one looks like Sherman Pass with someone scrambling to get out of the way :roflmao:

http://thumb9.webshots.net/t/57/557/7/59/98/2614759980092085469MYstlx_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2614759980092085469MYstlx)

[my034runner]

I know who's pictures we're missing, Kurt & Nicole's! :rolleyes:
Come on, please- pretty please, can you share your photo's with us?? :P

[chiefiji]

Sorry guys, I forgot to warn you about "Crazy Capt'n Ron". :D You don't always want to follow him!! :eek: It sure keeps things interesting though.

I don't know what was more insane, watching mark and robert climb up ring and pinion falls or watching capt ron scale up that wall and then having dan attempt the same in his seqouia :bigok:

btw, i had a great time as usual. great food, great people, great trails, a great time overall. i'll post up pics later this weekend.

[Vegas Runner]

That was pretty impressive trail repair work. And it looks like the wheeling was a blast. Glad to hear everyone had a great time.

[Joel]

Dan is home safe and sound by the way. They made it home around midnight.

[my034runner]

That was pretty impressive trail repair work. And it looks like the wheeling was a blast. Glad to hear everyone had a great time.



Dude, you should have gone with us! I know you're getting ready for your big two week hunting trip, but you would have had a good time. Besides, I had plenty of Big Mama's ribs on Saturday. In fact, I have extra in the fridge. :nono:

[my034runner]

I finally talked to Brett, he just got back from vacation also. He told me to get it in there, and he'd get it warrantied. He asked how I did it, and I told him I was just driving, so he tells me, "you weren't driving, how high in the air were you?" :nono: :rotflmao: So I told him that it was bouncing around. I'm just going to point him to this thread.
When I told him that the ring was in the back of my034runner, he asked how did it get there? So I told him about the trail repair. He told me to tell the service writer that it will only move in 4wd, and he'll take care of it. It helps to have great friends in the right places.
And Brett is certainly a great friend. :bigok:

[97kurt]

Nichole got some good pics... Oddly enough there were no pics of when we had to hi-lift Joel off that rock and when my hi-lift almost took my head off. But oh well, there were other exciting aspects to this trip. :rotflmao:


http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7199-2/IMG_1375.JPG
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7203-2/IMG_1382.JPG
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http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7215-2/IMG_1403.JPG
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7218-2/IMG_1416.JPG

RP Falls!!!!
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7221-2/IMG_1422.JPG
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http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7245-2/IMG_1430.JPG

[97kurt]

Mark needs to paint something clever on his skid plate for situations like this...
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7251-2/IMG_1432.JPG

Robert showing us the proper way to break in gears..
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7254-2/IMG_1438.JPG
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7263-2/IMG_1442.JPG
Did I say break in? I meant break...
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7266-2/IMG_1444.JPG


Steep hill
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7293-2/IMG_1464.JPG

No comment
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Tired dog == good trip.
http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7341-2/IMG_1521.JPG

[my034runner]

Great pictures Kurt & Nicole.

But holy crap, what the hell was Dan thinking?? :nono: No wonder the wife is mad. :spank:

[danimallv]

Great pictures Kurt & Nicole.

But holy crap, what the hell was Dan thinking?? :nono: No wonder the wife is mad. :spank:

The other two trucks made it up. :) And woops no center difflock on that one.. *shakes head*

[my034runner]

The other two trucks made it up. :) And whoops no center diff-lock on that one.. *shakes head*


Whoops! :rotflmao: Well at least you made it back in one piece! Did you have to back down, or did you get up it? :P

[danimallv]

Whoops! :rotflmao: Well at least you made it back in one piece! Did you have to back down, or did you get up it? :P


Yeah. It didn't seem that crazy when I was up there. Perhaps just the camera angle. I think everyone has been embellishing the height of the front wheel. It cant be 3 feet! :) Needless to say.. Wife is done with that hobby! :) :mad:

And yes, I had to back down.

[my034runner]

Yeah. It didn't seem that crazy when I was up there. Perhaps just the camera angle. I think everyone has been embellishing the height of the front wheel. It cant be 3 feet! :) Needless to say.. Wife is done with that hobby! :) :mad:

And yes, I had to back down.


So the wife is done with that hobby, does that mean that she's banned you from having fun for the rest of your life? :shout: :xnuts: Or is it that She isn't going to go out with you any more, but You can still go?? :D

By the way, it looks like you could have turned your wheels to the drivers side and walked up that.

[danimallv]

So the wife is done with that hobby, does that mean that she's banned you from having fun for the rest of your life? :shout: :xnuts: Or is it that She isn't going to go out with you any more, but You can still go?? :D

By the way, it looks like you could have turned your wheels to the drivers side and walked up that.

Haha. Working on the details of that actually. :)

[Joel]

Here's the movie. (http://joelrasmus.com/gallery/v/videos/4runner/Jawbone-2006.mov.html) :popcorn:
Quicktime 7 Req'd

[Mikestang]

Awesome video as always. I do get a little audio feedback, like when I switched to iTunes 7.0 (I went back to 6.x because of it). I love the slow-mo on R&P falls, you can hear each tooth on Robert's gear snap. :(

[bulldog]

Most excellent video as always Joel!!! :bigok:

Love R&P falls, definitely needs a rematch this coming year!!

[my034runner]

Killer video again Joel!! :bigok: You just might have a new career on your hands! Great job on R&P Falls!! :iagree

[Joel]

Thanks guys!

Btw, Jason I still have your map!

[my034runner]

Haha. Working on the details of that actually. :)

Well, hopefully, she'll at least let You go out and play! ;)

[my034runner]

Awesome video as always. I do get a little audio feedback, like when I switched to iTunes 7.0 (I went back to 6.x because of it). I love the slow-mo on R&P falls, you can hear each tooth on Robert's gear snap. :(


Well at least I did it, and it was fun getting up.
I just dropped off my034runner at work, got me a Rav4 to drive for a couple of days. :P
Brett's going to see if he can just get me a new third and be done with it. I'll know tomorrow or the next day. I should be ready to wheel by the weekend!! :bigok:

[expat]

Your videos are always entertaining Joel. Nice job again. Thanks.

Mark

[Vegas Runner]

http://www.kurtandnichole.com/gallery2/d/7302-2/IMG_1478.JPG


This looks pretty scary.

[97kurt]

If only we had a recording of the CB conversations....

"Back up Dan!!! back up back up back up back up!!"

[expat]

Shrockworks should be looking at this thread! :eek: Some sweet pictures :shout:

[Mikestang]

Shrockworks should be looking at this thread! :eek: Some sweet pictures :shout:
I emailed Nick the link yesterday. He replied, so I'm sure they're lurking here somewhere.

[hopper]

Robert, Do you remember that pop we heard from the rear when we were out at Logandale. Sounds alot like it did in that video. Just a thought.

Looks like you guys had fun though.

[crhannig]

Nice video as always Joel. I see your getting more creative. I really need to start videoing some runs.

[my034runner]

Robert, Do you remember that pop we heard from the rear when we were out at Logandale. Sounds a lot like it did in that video. Just a thought.

Looks like you guys had fun though.


Actually, no. My034runner was performing flawlessly all weekend, until after I got to the top of the R&P Falls. I would have never got to the top with a bad gear. :cool1:

[Cruiserhead]

Great photos and great video! Joel, you are really getting good at that!

Robert, looks like when one of your rear tires came down and got traction-pop! just a guess... the slo-mo is hilarious w/ the slow voices, "uhh-ohhhhhhhhhhhh" hehe

[JP4Crawler]

Killer video Joel!! Great job. Don't worry about the map, keep it till next time. I've got several.

Robert, glad to here you'll be back on the rd. It should be no prob for Brett to pop in the new one.

Jason

[my034runner]

Killer video Joel!! Great job. Don't worry about the map, keep it till next time. I've got several.

Robert, glad to here you'll be back on the rd. It should be no prob for Brett to pop in the new one.

Jason


He said that it would take him about 10, maybe 15 minutes once he gets the new third in from Toyota. Then we'll have to get back together for another run. :iagree

[my034runner]

Great photos and great video! Joel, you are really getting good at that!

Robert, looks like when one of your rear tires came down and got traction-pop! just a guess... the slo-mo is hilarious w/ the slow voices, "uhh-ohhhhhhhhhhhh" hehe


Yeah, that's the general consensus. It was fun getting up it though. :bigok:

[danimallv]

If only we had a recording of the CB conversations....

"Back up Dan!!! back up back up back up back up!!"
Come on now.. Backup wasnt used that many times!

[Joel]

Lets see. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Yep that's about right! :flipoff:

[danimallv]

Lets see. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Yep that's about right! :flipoff:
Talk to the hand! :)
:guns:

[my034runner]

Now now boys, who's counting anyway, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or what ever. Now lets get back to the real carnage: My034runner!! because that's the real story, isn't it? :moon: :rotflmao:

Brett's already ordered my new third member, and it should be here tomorrow!! :D :shout: :banana: :cow: :thrasher:

So I should be rolling by tomorrow by the time I leave work. :D

I might go wheel on Sunday, but might go to the big Vegoose concert Sunday and see Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers instead. So if that's the case, wheeling on the following weekend maybe.

[bulldog]

Now now boys, who's counting anyway, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or what ever. Now lets get back to the real carnage: My034runner!! because that's the real story, isn't it? :moon: :rotflmao:

Brett's already ordered my new third member, and it should be here tomorrow!! :D :shout: :banana: :cow: :thrasher:

So I should be rolling by tomorrow by the time I leave work. :D

I might go wheel on Sunday, but might go to the big Vegoose concert Sunday and see Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers instead. So if that's the case, wheeling on the following weekend maybe.
Dude we should have taken a pic of your face on Saturday, you weren't bragging so much then :flipoff: ;) ;)

Just glad you got it sorted adn it didnt cost you an arm and a leg like Jason.

[Cruiserhead]

Dude we should have taken a pic of your face on Saturday, you weren't bragging so much then :flipoff: ;) ;)


dang that's cold! hahaha :spank:

[my034runner]

Dude we should have taken a pic of your face on Saturday, you weren't bragging so much then :flipoff: ;) ;)

Just glad you got it sorted and it didn't cost you an arm and a leg like Jason.



It's not like you didn't have a camera! :flip2:

And I was too bragging :shout: ..... and crying, :mecry: all at the same time!

And yes, I'm happy if it doesn't cost me and arm and a leg.

[expat]

I might go wheel on Sunday...

You might want to take it easy for a while.

Man you are lucky to have someone willing to do this at such low cost. Guess it pays to work in the field of your hobby. Lucky SOB. ;)

[bulldog]

It's not like you didn't have a camera! :flip2:

And I was too bragging :shout: ..... and crying, :mecry: all at the same time!

And yes, I'm happy if it doesn't cost me and arm and a leg.
Hehehehehehe :bigok: :jester:

In the end it is all fun. Make sure to keep the old ring gear and have it framed as a reminder. Actually put it next to your skinny pedal in the 4R :P :guitar:

[my034runner]

Dude we should have taken a pic of your face on Saturday, you weren't bragging so much then :flipoff: ;) ;)

Just glad you got it sorted and it didn't cost you an arm and a leg like Jason.


Oh yeah, if you'd read my post, it said the carnage was the real story!! :moon: Not the fact that I got up it, we all know that, but the carnage was the real story! :shocked:

[my034runner]

You might want to take it easy for a while.

Man you are lucky to have someone willing to do this at such low cost. Guess it pays to work in the field of your hobby. Lucky SOB. ;)



Take it easy???? :confused: :deadhorse Are you bloody kidding me? Got to go and get right back up on the horse!! Got to drive up stuff, over stuff, etc....

But if I go to the Tom Petty show, I'll probably take it easy because I'll be getting wasted all day. :tequila: :thrasher: :thrasher: :cheers: :cheers: :thrasher:

[chiefiji]

Make sure to keep the old ring gear and have it framed as a reminder.

or as somebody else suggested, chrome it, put a chain on it, and wear it around your neck :rotflmao:

[my034runner]

or as somebody else suggested, chrome it, put a chain on it, and wear it around your neck :rotflmao:


I'm going to gold plate it, put some diamonds in it and really bling it out!! :cool1: :cow:

Hey, have you posted your pictures yet??

[my034runner]

I've got a brand new Toyota third (rear diff) installed on My034runner!! Yeaaaaaaa!!!!! :D

Bring on R&P Falls!!

[chiefiji]

Hey, have you posted your pictures yet??

i'll get to em over the weekend :D . good to see you back on the road again! can't wait for r&p falls 2, 2007.

[expat]

Robert's diff giving up...questions????

http://joelrasmus.com/temp/robert.mov

Trying to learn from this, where did the diff actually decide it had enough? I watched it over an over and can't see a time where the rear wheels were off the ground and then come down hard enough to grab. It sounds like it might have happened just before the front wheels climbed the last ledge.

Did the video actually miss what might have happened a little earlier? The noises in the video sound more like rocks hitting the sliders from the front wheels throwing them up, rather than the gears shearing. I know when Robert finally crested the final ledge with his rear wheels we all heard the grinding of the gears but I assume it happened before then.

What's your thoughts on this? I didn't see the left side of the truck so anyone on that side notice anything in particular that caused the gears to go?

As I watched my climbed, I think I was real lucky not to do a CV joint, especially seeing the left wheel lose and grab traction as it did.

[97kurt]

I was on the left side watching the rear tire when it happened. I remember seeing the rear wheel spin and stop on the way up. The drivers side rear tire also lurched forward right when I heard that sound.

Moral of the story, we need two video cameras next time.

[bulldog]

From what I saw and heard it seemed to happen as RObert was climbing the last ledge and most of the truck weight pushed onto the rear axle. I believe the driver side rear tire was spinning and then got traction at the moment when all the weight pushed back. COmbination of bad things happening at the same time. Skinny pedal to get up, weight pushing back with front bouncing up, rear tire getting traction at the same time. Robert gave more skinny pedal to get up than you did Mark, and I think he just had a number of things catch up at a bad time.

I think your front was OK, as you never had a wheel running away with spinning and then grabbing traction. In part you can thank traction control for this as it kept the front wheel speed in check quite few times, but you were less agressive in attacking the hill than Robert though (look at Joel's video a few times). So far nobody has popped the front end yet, which tells me the beef added to the front has helped a lot, especially with ATRAC.

I think the biggest challenge we will face is to make sure the rear axle ring and pinion do not deflect like in Robert's case. Bigger tires, more weight and bigger rocks will put even more stress on the drivetrain. Hopefully ARB carriers and solid pinion spacers will help a lot to improve the situation. Once we can get gears I guess we will find out. I would love to go do that climb next year sometime when my truck is ready. Hopefully with better results.

[my034runner]

I'm not sure as to which point they snapped either. It's not really clear. But I think I'm going to go play around up in Logandale this Sunday on the same rocks that we played on two weeks ago, and take it a little easier, especially now that I know what line to take to get up the waterfall there. :bow:

[damaged110]

i just finished watching your video of the ring gear breakage.. :spank:
you should realy thank me for your new rear diff. after watching that i might have had second thoughts about it. just kidding it looked like alot of fun if i ever have enough time to finish my ride i would like to go. but alas i have to keep fixing your ride so you can go and have fun.. somtimes i feel like your personal pit crew. tell everyone that helped you out thanks for making my job of taking car of you a little bit more bearable.

i kept the ring gear and i am going to weld up a trophy for you robert :D

[my034runner]

i just finished watching your video of the ring gear breakage.. :spank:
you should really thank me for your new rear diff. after watching that i might have had second thoughts about it. just kidding it looked like a lot of fun if i ever have enough time to finish my ride i would like to go. but alas i have to keep fixing your ride so you can go and have fun.. sometimes i feel like your personal pit crew. tell everyone that helped you out thanks for making my job of taking care of you a little bit more bearable.

i kept the ring gear and i am going to weld up a trophy for you Robert :D


I did thank you, I always thank you. What do you want for lunch tomorrow? You know where to find me, is your wife, Sandy working tomorrow? I'll both of your lunches.

And yes, everyone who helped was great, and are all very appreciated. :bigok:

We can go back out there any time. It's about the same as driving to Big Bear, with out the elevation.

[97kurt]

Robert.. I really think you should take it easy for 100 miles or so on the new diff. Just to make sure it gets broken in correctly.

When you guys finally find gears you may want to spend the extra bucks and get them cryo'd. Nice part will be that when you get an ARB you wont be able to spin your tires like that.

[my034runner]

just giving you a little s*** thats all you know your cool with me

[my034runner]

Robert.. I really think you should take it easy for 100 miles or so on the new diff. Just to make sure it gets broken in correctly.

When you guys finally find gears you may want to spend the extra bucks and get them cryo'd. Nice part will be that when you get an ARB you wont be able to spin your tires like that.


By the time I get to Logandale tomorrow, I'll have almost 100 miles on it.
You want to go? I'll post it in the trip planning section in just a second. :D

[97kurt]

Thanks but I am gonna lay low this weekend.

Im still driving on my spare till I figure out what tires I want. I got a hole in one just as we were leaving last sunday. My geolanders are pretty chewed up so I dont want to push em anymore. Great tires but I abused them.

That and I also need to weld a new hanger for my exhaust this weekend and do some yard work.

[my034runner]

Thanks but I am gonna lay low this weekend.

I'm still driving on my spare till I figure out what tires I want. I got a hole in one just as we were leaving last Sunday. My Geolanders are pretty chewed up so I don't want to push em anymore. Great tires but I abused them.

That and I also need to weld a new hanger for my exhaust this weekend and do some yard work.



Get some BFG KO's. They're great tires and have served me well. They are also very strong and can handle everything that I've thrown at them so far. With the exception of Tie Rod! :jester: :eek: Just my 2 cents........

[97kurt]

I had bfg ko's on my ranger and I did like them but they are pricey. I am debating between 33 (285/55/r16) maxxis bighorn MT tires. Or a 32 (265/75r16) Nitto Terra grappler AT. Since snow is in my future I think AT is the way I should lean. That and I dont want to even think about re-gearing.

[my034runner]

I had bfg ko's on my ranger and I did like them but they are pricey. I am debating between 33 (285/55/r16) maxxis bighorn MT tires. Or a 32 (265/75r16) Nitto Terra grappler AT. Since snow is in my future I think AT is the way I should lean. That and I don't want to even think about re-gearing.


I've never heard of that first one. Nitto's I hear are pretty good, but between the three, the BFG's are the better tire. I can send you to Discount tire that we use, and get you our price on them. I was going to get Jon a set of them for $160/per before he decided that he couldn't get up here anytime soon.

I can send you to Brian, who is up at Lake Mead and Tenaya, or Marc, down here in Henderson. Let me know.

Now back to topic, wheeling......................................

[dnstaco]

Hey Kurt,
I have a set of the nitto at's for sale...two have about 2000 miles and the other two only have about 500 miles and they are mounted on the stock wheels that came on my tacoma let me know bro they are sitting here stacked up nice and neat in the garage waiting for a new home!!!

[expat]

Robert - what was the cause of the rear Hoe's leaking? I thought these things were the mecca of shocks?

[my034runner]

Robert - what was the cause of the rear Hoe's leaking? I thought these things were the mecca of shocks?


The one I blew isn't as bad as the Big Bear TTORA trip one that I blew. You must remember that I still have the prototypes, and not the production ones. The protos shock bodies are too long, therefore, they tend to over-compress, thus the blow out.
The production shocks will have a shorter shock body, so less likely to over-compress.
But they do ride great.

[bulldog]

The one I blew isn't as bad as the Big Bear TTORA trip one that I blew. You must remember that I still have the prototypes, and not the production ones. The protos shock bodies are too long, therefore, they tend to over-compress, thus the blow out.
The production shocks will have a shorter shock body, so less likely to over-compress.
But they do ride great.
Yep, the body is too long as we saw in Vegas when I picked up the Prius. SO the shock overcompresses and the shaft destroys the body seal, leavving oil all over the place.

Time to get the production ones now.