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Unread 12-04-2010, 08:56 AM   #1
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Default New 4Runner vs. new Land Cruiser - any opinions / experience?

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I'm thinking about a new Land Cruiser with the 5.7. I know it's crazy big for an off-roader but there's something about a Land Cruiser.

Anyone have any experience really off-roading these? How's aftermarket suspensions, etc?

Any info appreciated.

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Unread 12-04-2010, 09:01 AM   #2
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check out slee off road... heres the link to the 200+ series lifts.

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/200_suspension.htm
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check out slee off road... heres the link to the 200+ series lifts.

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/200_suspension.htm

Yes, definitely interesting. The LC's definitely change their personality with that lift.

I've heard the LC's 5.7 V8 is not quite the bullet-proof design the 4.7 was. I don't know anything about the 4.6 that is in the GX these days.

Anyone have any info on the 5.7? Made in Japan, I assume.
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If I had the coin I'd love to have a 200. But a little too nice to wheel though. Aren't they like 65k?
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The 5.7 is built at the Alabama plant from what I undestand.
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The 5.7 is built at the Alabama plant from what I undestand.
Really?? Wow - that's interesting for their Flagship. I spoke to a Toyota mechanic at the local stealer and he said he thought the 5.7 was a "piece of s--t." That's one opinion.

Yeah, they are around 65K. 75K when you get the option pack. It's a lot, for sure but I've been a Cruiser-Head for a long time.
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I could not find anything definitive about engine origin of manufacture. It seems Alabama is the main assembly source for the 5.7 with casting of the blocks in the USA as well.

There was discussion that the VIN's of the Land Cruiser and LX570 read "100% Made in Japan" or "95% Made in Japan".

Importing 5.7's to Japan may allow them to make that claim. (For example, some euro countries will allow a "Made in Holland" label as long as the final assembly/finish paint is done in Holland-- even if the product is made in Taiwan)

Unsure if there is another 5.7 line running in Japan.

If you can afford the 200, get it. It's amazing where it counts and probably the last of the true luxury, offroad, global suv's. This type of overbuilt, mechanically superior suv is lost on the general public.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UR_engine

The 5.7 is cast & built at the Toyota's Bodine Aluminum and currently assembled at Toyota Motor manufacturing in Alabama .

The engine is a great engine and not a piece of sh** !

I owned a 2008 tundra 5.7 and it was a monster for torque and HP , 381 HP 401 FT LBS Torque

I never had any problems for over 2 yrs that I had mine .

You can check any of the Tundra forums and check on that engine , but I've never read anything bad about them .

Hope this helps you .
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Many thanks for the informative replies. It does disturb me slightly that the engine is not made in Japan. At this price point I'm looking for a LONG-TERM off-road monster at the top of the class. There are competitors, like Land Rover in the neighborhood.
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Unread 12-04-2010, 08:56 PM   #10
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There is nothing wrong with Made In the USA.
Cummins, Chevy big blocks, short blocks, etc are all USA. Toyota copied the Chevy motors back at the start of Land Cruiser history and some parts are compatible.

Land Rover, though nice, are not in the same class as the LC
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70k for a new LC is a LOT of money- especially compared to a $35k 4Runner...

Now used, that's a different story. But even then the price difference between a used 4Runner and a LC is pretty huge.

The 4Runner is just a much better buy IMO.
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I have a hard time believing the LC's engine is made in the US and shipped Japan.

No way no how. The Tundra's 4.7 V8 was made here and vastly different than the 4th gen V8 which is Japanese. Internal cast vs. forged components. That's why 4.7 tundras and sequoias threw rods with the SC and not the 4R.

The Land Cruiser is the most overbuilt 4x4 SUV offered in the USA - period. The 4runner doesnt hold a candle to it with regards to durability and overall robustness.

Oh yea, Land Cruisers are offered in other countries with the 5.7. I doubt the US is the only point of manufacture.
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I have a hard time believing the LC's engine is made in the US and shipped Japan.

No way no how. The Tundra's 4.7 V8 was made here and vastly different than the 4th gen V8 which is Japanese. Internal cast vs. forged components. That's why 4.7 tundras and sequoias threw rods with the SC and not the 4R.

The Land Cruiser is the most overbuilt 4x4 SUV offered in the USA - period. The 4runner doesnt hold a candle to it with regards to durability and overall robustness.

Oh yea, Land Cruisers are offered in other countries with the 5.7. I doubt the US is the only point of manufacture.
I believe the 3UR 5.7L is a USA market only engine. Sequoia, Tundra, LC and LX570.

The Land Cruiser is avail in other countries with the 4.5 turbo diesel, 1GR, 2UZ and 1UR

The 5.7 3UR has a TRD Supercharger available that boosts to 500HP/550ft lbs
Unsure if it is compatible w/ the Land Cruiser but definitely for the Tundra.

As for price, the Land Cruiser has always been at least double the price of a 4Runner.
4Runners are definitely a better value. A Trail Grade 4Runner runs $40,000.

The Land Cruiser is worth the money though. If you look underneath, it's the best where it counts.
That costs money. It is also relatively rare.
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What components are forged on the 4.7? Rods and crank? I hadn't heard that before...
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What components are forged on the 4.7? Rods and crank? I hadn't heard that before...
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Eskimochaos what happened to the avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOO
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Eskimochaos what happened to the avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOO
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Back to the original topic.

I have not driven the LC200, but I think you can get a good feel of option and offroad capability on IH8MUD.

The 5th Gen 4RUnner is very similar to the 4th Gen in terms of size and ride, etc. It is slightly larger interior and also heavier by a bit.

If you are looking at doing a lot of tight technical terrain the LC200 will be a pain to get through. It also seems to be a bit lower (stock), but have not measured. The 4Runner will be a easier vehicle to get through tight and technical trails (also can be had with a rear locker on the TE). From what I have seen so far I will give the 5th Gen TE a pretty good advantage over the LC200 in tight technical terrain.

However the LC will most likely be superior for longer overland journeys and on the highway in general. The LC100 was a really solid long distance driver, compared to the 4Runner. The LC200 should be an upgrade to it, especially with a powerful engine and 6 spd tranny.

Also the LC200 will have a big power advantage over the 5th Gen (with only the V6), so when carrying a heavy load into mountains it is going to be come very obvious at altitude.

When you say offroad, what type of terrain are you thinking about?
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Back to the original topic.

I have not driven the LC200, but I think you can get a good feel of option and offroad capability on IH8MUD.

The 5th Gen 4RUnner is very similar to the 4th Gen in terms of size and ride, etc. It is slightly larger interior and also heavier by a bit.

If you are looking at doing a lot of tight technical terrain the LC200 will be a pain to get through. It also seems to be a bit lower (stock), but have not measured. The 4Runner will be a easier vehicle to get through tight and technical trails (also can be had with a rear locker on the TE). From what I have seen so far I will give the 5th Gen TE a pretty good advantage over the LC200 in tight technical terrain.

However the LC will most likely be superior for longer overland journeys and on the highway in general. The LC100 was a really solid long distance driver, compared to the 4Runner. The LC200 should be an upgrade to it, especially with a powerful engine and 6 spd tranny.

Also the LC200 will have a big power advantage over the 5th Gen (with only the V6), so when carrying a heavy load into mountains it is going to be come very obvious at altitude.

When you say offroad, what type of terrain are you thinking about?


Bulldog -

I don't get too technical off-road unless I do a "...wonder where THAT road goes?" and end up in something HAIRY, which does happen.

However, I'm off-road well over 75% of the time in some capacity: High mountains, deserts, whatever - I want to be WAY OUT THERE as much as possible. I totally get how the hugeness of the LC200 is a disadvantage in a lot of situations. It's too bad we can't get the V8 diesel LC's they get in Australia and Costa Rica. Those are really something and a lot smaller. You can get a V8 diesel with a stick!

I know an LC200 will definitely need a lift right off the lot. OME seems to make their usual decent kit for it. Slee Off-Road has them.

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it needs to be 100% made in japan.

have you guys sat in a tundra? the materials used in the big truck definitely show its USAplastickyness compared to my humble little 4th gen 100% made in J 4r.

i think the sweet spot is to get the 4.7 newest you can find. i forget the exact yr it changed over.

the name in and of itself... Land Cruiser is just the stuff of dreams.

if it wasn't such a hassle, i'd totally sell mine for a mint condition '07 LC. lift it. blacked it all out. done. and i love my v8 4r.

gx and sequoia... soccer mom status.
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