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Unread 06-05-2006, 06:57 AM   #1
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Does anyone familiar with Painless wiring? Are those good kits? I was thinking of using their Dual-Battery setup and an Auxiliary Fuse Box:

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Unread 06-05-2006, 12:59 PM   #2
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Lance (Good Times) is using this setup. I don't think anyone else on this board is.
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I talked to him and looks like he likes it.
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Painless seems to have a good rep. And they do make a full kit. You also might want to look at the Surepower unit as it has more intteligence built in vs just a plain solenoid from Painless. Unfortunately you will have to build your own wiring, which is not very hard.

Just an idea. I have been using the Surepower for quite a while and it really works nice. Love having dual batts to drive acc while the truck is shutoff.

http://www.surepower.com/separator.html

The big difference is that it sense the main battery voltage and 2nd batt voltage before making contact or not. Thus avoiding overloading the altenator or taxing the main battery with a weak 2nd battery when starting. IT does have the ability override all woth a switch. Read material on above link and compare to painless and decide for yourself and your needs. Just my 2c.

Either one will get the job done, I just believe one suites my needs better.
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You might also check out Hellroaring www.hellroaring.com
They make some quality dual battery solutions.

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Lots of good dual battery info on ih8mud.com. I chose the Hellroaring for my 80 and like it a lot. Some complain about the surepower price. Look into them all and you should choose the one best for you.

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Anyone know where I can locate a Sure Power unit? I've looked and looked..
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Anyone know where I can locate a Sure Power unit? I've looked and looked..
Try here and see if they can supply the 200A unit
http://www.rvpartscenter.com/Product...ID=131&CID=395

Or look under this write up where to get a rebadged unit.
http://www.toyota120.com/html/4runne...batteries.html

Pricey though compared to the first one.
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RV Parts Center doesn't list it and didn't return repeated calls, the link the the write up is broken, and after calling Sure Power directly the dealer they gave me never returned my call either!
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RV Parts Center doesn't list it and didn't return repeated calls, the link the the write up is broken, and after calling Sure Power directly the dealer they gave me never returned my call either!
Interesting. Well if SUrepower and their resellers don't want your business I'm sure Hellroaring or Painless will be able to do it.

I just liked the simplicity of the unit and the functionality it offers, but it seems to be very painful to get it. The NWWrangler site no longer lists the part by looks of things, but they are upgrading it. If you want to can can probably give them a call. THey were very helpful when I dealt with them last year.
http://www.wranglernw.com/t-about_2.aspx

Part # was 17-MBS200

PS: I'm amazed at the poor customer service from a lot of campanies these days.
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I am not up on electrical (Bulldog is the real expert in this area) but Hellroaring is really, really great w/ customer service. A few guys I know w/ Hellroaring rave about it. The phone tech and support is excellent, so they say.
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WranglerNW has them. Seems they are having some issue with their website. Price was $137 shipped!
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I am not up on electrical (Bulldog is the real expert in this area) but Hellroaring is really, really great w/ customer service. A few guys I know w/ Hellroaring rave about it. The phone tech and support is excellent, so they say.
I never claim anything these days

I dont think you can go wrong with either three options listed here. The Painless and Surepower ones discussed are simply solenoid solutions, while the Hellroaring is an electronic solution. All three have been field tested, yada yada.

The painless will be the easiest to install as a lot of the wirign is pre-made for you. WIth the other 2 you have to do it yourself. What sold me on the Surepower was the additional functionality it offers (voltage sensing, etc) and the simplicity of the solenoid for the switching. The HEllroaring will be more involved to install, but not as bad as some of the other isolaters out there. Ideally you want some thing you can use by just adding to your wiring and not cutting into your existing starter, alternator wiring, etc.

WHen it comes to these things keep to KISS or else it will bite in the long run.

I wanted a setup where I can simply snip a few wires if somethign goes wrong and keep coing with the stock setup. Handy when you are in the middle of the desert.

Lasltly keep your wring neat and tight as this is normally where the problems come in.
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WranglerNW has them. Seems they are having some issue with their website. Price was $137 shipped!
Kewl!! Post up when you are done.
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I am not up on electrical (Bulldog is the real expert in this area) but Hellroaring is really, really great w/ customer service. A few guys I know w/ Hellroaring rave about it. The phone tech and support is excellent, so they say.
First hand experience. I called Mike on a Saturday and he helped me finish my set up over the phone.

As for making the wires. Piece of cake. Measured what I needed using a piece of rope. The hellroaring kit tells you the extra wires and sizes you need. Bought them then crimped the connectors on using a vice. Hooked it all up and installed a radioshack switch. Wicked clean and works just like advertised?

As for hooking into the starter at the starter it is acceptable to hook your BIC to the positive on your main battery and call that your starter hook up.

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