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Unread 04-11-2006, 09:58 AM   #1
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Default Deaver coils.

I see that Jared who ordered a set of custom rear coils from Deaver is here.

So tell us all about these coils. What specs did you give Deaver, how long did it take to get the coils, how much lift did you get from these coils?

Will they make coils to other specs? It looks from the specs on Yotatech that you probably got 3+" lift over stock from these; I would like more like 2.0-2.5" of lift.
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Unread 04-11-2006, 01:40 PM   #2
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Default Deavers - Just ordered mine.

I just ordered a set of Deavers myself from Demello offroad.
I believe Jared went with 2" over stock, I went with 2.5" over.
Deaver will work with you to meet your requirements.
I should have them in place in a couple of weeks.

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Unread 04-11-2006, 01:52 PM   #3
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just ordered a set of Deavers myself from Demello offroad.
I believe Jared went with 2" over stock, I went with 2.5" over.
Deaver will work with you to meet your requirements.
I should have them in place in a couple of weeks.
Very good to hear that Deaver is providing custom coilsprings for our application. And only a few weeks lead time for the springs, that is excellent!

According to the Yotatech thread, Jared went with springs 2" over stock and 30% stiffer than stock this will provide more than a 2" lift over stock.
http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=67362

What spring rate did you specify? What are you going to put on for the front suspension?

It will be very interesting to see what sort of rear lift you get. Please make some accurate before and after measurements!

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Unread 04-11-2006, 09:32 PM   #4
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Default Yes indeed!

I am also putting the Donahoes up front. I'm putting the Deavers and Bilstein 7100s in the rear. There was some discussion on 20% vs 30% springrate - I think I went with the same as Jared since he felt they seemed balanced - but I'll make sure of that when I take delivery. Like I said I went with slightly longer coils than Jared - I don't want to lose much of my factory rake.

We are also valving the rear shocks (7100s) on the soft side - I run with the back empty most of the time so it seemed like the best choice. But the great thing is for 40.00 I can have them changed any time.

Now I just have to decide on 285s 275s or 265s!

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Unread 04-12-2006, 05:23 PM   #5
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Sorry to not post sooner. It is so tough to check all these boards these days.

I went with 30% stiffer than the OEM spring, mostly due to inputs from Jason Demello, the Deaver guys (who called Downey for their spring rate) and the Donahoe guys.

For me the lead time took a bit more time, but I was the first to order for the 4th gen so the Deaver engineers had to look at the OEM coil part # for info and specs.

I'm happy with my coils, and I do think the spring rate is what it should be. Like Lance (chaosedition.com) experiences, ride depends on the load in the back. If I am empty and I'm flying over whoops, the Hoes work like butter, but my ass is flying all over the place. I think this is due to me only having the 5100's in the back. The 7100's will be MUCH better. Lance is running them on his rig, but he says he hasn't gotten the valving quite right yet. I will eventually change out my 5100's, but I have a few mods that'll happen before that.

I can't recommend Deaver enough. They still work out of a pseudo barn, it's freakin great.
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Unread 04-18-2006, 09:42 AM   #6
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Default Spring specs?

Jared,

So 30% over stock spring rate. Would that be 234 lb/inch? What sort of input did you get from Demello et al for you to decide on this rate? Also, what was the spring length and did you take any measurements of the amount of lift that you got?


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Do you have an estimated delivery time on the coils?
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Unread 04-18-2006, 11:31 AM   #7
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I was told two weeks - but I think that was an estimate.
I'll call Jason later this week... I'm waiting for the tires I ordered anyway - so waiting for those to show up.

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Unread 04-18-2006, 12:01 PM   #8
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I hope to get a lift installed _before_ I need to buy new tires. That why I can run on the old tires for a bit and if I have any alignment issues I won't trash a new set of tires.

Which brings to mind a topic for a new thread - getting an alignment after a lift. Will there be difficulty in meeting any of the factory parameters, where to go for the alignment etc.
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Unread 04-18-2006, 12:44 PM   #9
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Talking Alignment

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I hope to get a lift installed _before_ I need to buy new tires. That why I can run on the old tires for a bit and if I have any alignment issues I won't trash a new set of tires.

Which brings to mind a topic for a new thread - getting an alignment after a lift. Will there be difficulty in meeting any of the factory parameters, where to go for the alignment etc.
I have the same question...after installing the OME lift will I have any issue getting my truck aligned?

Should I wait till after the lift to get new tires?
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Unread 04-19-2006, 01:00 PM   #10
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Jared,

So 30% over stock spring rate. Would that be 234 lb/inch? What sort of input did you get from Demello et al for you to decide on this rate? Also, what was the spring length and did you take any measurements of the amount of lift that you got?


4RUN3R,

Do you have an estimated delivery time on the coils?

I suppose so, I forgot what stock was, so if stock + 30% = 234lbs, then that's about what it is. The way we came up with that is based on a couple of things. Jason D., Deaver guy (I forgot his name now, I think Scott), and me talked about what I wanted. Jason said that Downey's were 20% over stock and that they were a bit too soft on Lance's rig (which Jason did the work on), so using that as a starting point, Deaver did some calculations, and even called Downey on why they chose 20%, and came back to me with 30%. I knew close to nothing at the time (my first mod) so I took Jason and Scott's word for it. Looking back, I'm glad I did.

I don't remember the total length of the springs, they were out of the box about 5 minutes before they were installed. They were roughly 2" taller than stock, and predictably, gave me 2" of lift. They have not sagged so far at 10,000 miles. If I were to order another set, I would got with 2.25 or 2.5 inches over stock just so I could crank the Donahoe's up a bit in the front without having a gangsta lean in the back. Since $250 is relatively cheap for a mod, and they are retardedly easy to install, I had the mindset that if I had to change them out in the future, it wouldn't be a big deal. So far, I have no reason too. We'll see how they match up with the rear Donahoe shock when it comes out. If it isn't tuned right, I might switch them out. The nice thing is, Domello, Deaver, and Donahoe are all in about a 10 mile radius of each other. Even Camburg is in the area.
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Unread 04-19-2006, 01:37 PM   #11
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I have the same question...after installing the OME lift will I have any issue getting my truck aligned?

Should I wait till after the lift to get new tires?
I posted the answer in a new thread.

http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454
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Unread 10-10-2006, 09:32 AM   #12
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Ordering things and getting jacked around is just my lot in life I guess....

Just like my episode with getting my sliders I am now faced with a similar problem with replacing the Downey rear springs. I placed an order with Deaver over two weeks ago and was told it would be about two weeks. At the 2 week point I called last Thursday and played phone tag. After 5 days I finally got a voice mail message with "Uh, well, our supplier actually ran out of the spring steel needed for the new springs and now it will be well into November before we can deliver".

This tells me that they dropped the ball and had never actually tried to place the order until I called again last week. I was hoping to have springs this week so that I could install them, adjust the front struts upwards and get an alignment.

Screwed again.....

I called Deaver back and got Gary Deaver who will now "research" my issues and call me back. I hate to go to Demello and pay even more money for the same spring.
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Unread 10-10-2006, 09:36 AM   #13
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Ordering things and getting jacked around is just my lot in life I guess....

Just like my episode with getting my sliders I am now faced with a similar problem with replacing the Downey rear springs. I placed an order with Deaver over two weeks ago and was told it would be about two weeks. At the 2 week point I called last Thursday and played phone tag. After 5 days I finally got a voice mail message with "Uh, well, our supplier actually ran out of the spring steel needed for the new springs and now it will be well into November before we can deliver".

This tells me that they dropped the ball and had never actually tried to place the order until I called again last week. I was hoping to have springs this week so that I could install them, adjust the front struts upwards and get an alignment.

Screwed again.....

I called Deaver back and got Gary Deaver who will now "research" my issues and call me back. I hate to go to Demello and pay even more money for the same spring.


Maybe you can explain what happened to Jason, he'll probably cut you a break, worth a shot.
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Unread 10-10-2006, 11:29 AM   #14
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Jim, seems like you have bad luck. When I dealt with the COilsprings place in Kansas it normally took 6-8 weeks (sometimes longer) for a set of custom springs pending their production schedule. So 2 weeks seem very optimistic to me. I spoke with Deaver in regards to my first coil set I had made and they also pointed me to the Kansas place for custom coils, saying they outsource some of their custom work to them. I don't know if Deaver now makes all the custom coils themselves or not, havenot been able to confirm this.

Be that a it may I think November/December is probably the date you will get your springs. Remember it is 2 weeks in aftermarket time, which means 6-8 weeks in our time.

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Jim, seems like you have bad luck. When I dealt with the COilsprings place in Kansas it normally took 6-8 weeks (sometimes longer) for a set of custom springs pending their production schedule. So 2 weeks seem very optimistic to me. I spoke with Deaver in regards to my first coil set I had made and they also pointed me to the Kansas place for custom coils, saying they outsource some of their custom work to them. I don't know if Deaver now makes all the custom coils themselves or not, havenot been able to confirm this.

Be that a it may I think November/December is probably the date you will get your springs. Remember it is 2 weeks in aftermarket time, which means 6-8 weeks in our time.

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Yeah,

I had another call from Scott and he was sort of "Well, it is what it is" even if they botched the order. Who is the Kansas place?

These folks? http://www.coilsprings.com/
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I had another call from Scott and he was sort of "Well, it is what it is" even if they botched the order. Who is the Kansas place?

These folks? http://www.coilsprings.com/
Yep that is the place, but their customer service makes Deaver look like saints. Also they probably wont have anything for at least 6 weeks or longer.
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It seems that customer service is pretty horrible through out the aftermarket business. The problem is, you have a lot of small shops that are manned by absolute gear heads who know EVERYTHING about their business, except for running the actual business. Deaver is unbelievably busy, especially since they are the supplier for everyone, but they still have the same few guys that they have always had. I had a good experience with Scott over there, but I think my time estimate slipped a couple of weeks on mine as well. Certainly not a month though!

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I know the feeling. I have yet to find someone that can absolutely deliver when they said they would in the aftermarket community.

Like bulldog said, 2-3 weeks means 8-10 weeks in aftermarket speak.

Donahoe is my favorite though, they make AMAZING products, probably the best out there, and they have the best customer service by far, when talking replacements, adjustments, etc. I would never buy any other coilovers. BUT, they can't estimate time to save there lives! haha
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Yep that is the place, but their customer service makes Deaver look like saints. Also they probably wont have anything for at least 6 weeks or longer.
I actually had a very good experience with Coil Spring Specialities. They made me a set of linear rear springs for my 4Runner. The guy was really helpful in explaining how the springs would work and how much they would load them, how he worked that out etc.

It took 3 weeks for me to get them.
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I, like Andries, have had mine made by Coil Springs Specialists. And I love the springs that they made for me, not a single problem at all, no sagging at all (and you all saw how much crap I carry), no bottoming out- nothing.

Like a Timex, take a beating, and keep on ticking!!!

But I'd have to agree, their customer service has a lot to be desired.
It took them probably at least 8 - 10 weeks for me to get my coil springs. I'm happy that I went with them for sure, but it did piss me off that I didn't have them in time for the TDS Safari last March. I ordered mine with two months and a few days to TDS, and they didn't get here until a week and half later after I got back.
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Started talking with Jeff at Deaver and he seemed to care about my order, made sure of status from the supplier and said that he would check next week and give me an update. Still looks as if it will be about 2 weeks out.
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